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MLB Trade Deadline: Do the Toronto Blue Jays REALLY need to make a deal?

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From the time the Toronto Blue Jays were mathematically eliminated from the 2013 play-off picture last May, Blue Jays fans started demanding Alex Anthopoulus upgrade the rotation, the catcher and 2nd base.

The catching position has been upgraded, 2nd base has been a Merry-Go-Round, and the rotation has struggled to find the consistency that a championship team normally demonstrates. All this has prompted many to play the ‘Trade Scenario’ game. Here is are some links to some very well thought out trading options posted on Jays Journal over the past week.

Jeff Samardzija

Jonathon Niese

Ben Zobrist

Aaron Hill

Daniel Murphy

Adrian Beltre

With exception of David Price and Ben Zobrist , none of these trades really turns the tide in Toronto’s favour. None of these trades make me think, “Ya this is a play-off team for the next 2-3 years”. Sure any of these guys provide the team with an upgrade, but I don’t think that Jeff Samardzija is the pitcher that wins Toronto a championship. Samardzija is not our 2014 version of David Cone. Nor will any of the 2nd basemen listed above have the same impact to this team that Rickey Henderson had on the 1993 Jays.

I would like to suggest another alternative…..Stand Pat.

Hear me out before bashing me in the comment section.

The Jays have been able to play good baseball, play above .500 baseball, and play American League East leading baseball despite juggling their starting rotation and despite having a regular 2nd baseman for the better part of the first half of the season. John Gibbons has done a good job using the pieces that he has. Alex has done a good job collecting useful Triple-A fill ins. So why go throwing around our high level prospects?

With JA Happ’s return to health and the continued development of Marcus Stroman, the Jays finally have a rotation that could win the AL East in 2014 and make the play-off for the first time in 20 years. However, this is not a rotation that will strike fear into opposing play-off teams. Once in the play-offs anything could happen with this offence, but what happens next season if we hand over all our near-major league ready prospects to land a rent a player. Let’s say we pick up a top of the rotation guy….who is your starting 3 in the play-offs? You would have the guy you just mortgaged the future on, Mark Buehrle, and R.A. Dickey (??).

The Blue Jays prospects being mentioned in many deals are: Aaron Sanchez, Dalton Pompey, Daniel Norris, Marcus Stroman, and Drew Hutchison. I don’t know about you but I am very uncomfortable giving up Stroman or Hutchison, who currently form 2/5 of our current staff. Norris is showing signs of developing into a power LHP that every team will drool over. Pompey is the only outfield prospect that could help the Jays in 2015 or 2016…..the cupboard is bare in the outfield. I would like to give Hutch, Stroman, Sanchez and Norris ever chance of forming the future rotation of the 2015 or 2016 Toronto Blue Jays.

Prospects at the Triple-A are just as unpredictable as prospects in A-Ball. The only difference in my mind is sample size and it is for that reason that I am not against trading away prospects. Aaron Sanchez has just as much chance of being Kyle Drabek as he does being the future Ace of this team. I am against trading prospect at this stage in the teams development.

Trading for a Samardzija or one of the 2nd baseman listed above may get the Jays to the October dance but it won’t help this team moving forward. The Jays will find themselves right back in the same position of not have any organizational depth to fill in for the oft injured Brett Lawrie, Jose Bautista, Jose Reyes, Colby Rasmus, and Brandon Morrow. Holding onto the prospect that I mentioned will make this team competitive for years to come….at least from a pitching stand point.

This team is ready to compete, but it isn’t ready to win it all.

Jon Paul Morosi from Fox Sports (full article)

Furthermore, the Cubs have evaluated the Jays’ farm system, and there are strong indications they would trade Samardzija to Toronto if the Jays offered Triple-A right-hander Aaron Sanchez, Double-A left-hander Daniel Norris, and Class-A center fielder Dalton Pompey.

Which prospects would you label as untouchable?

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  • Shadman

    Lol no I’m not going to bash you, I actually agree with most of what you said. Only thing though is Adrian Beltre. I mean, yeah he’s old and has a pretty big pay cheque, but if we could get the guy in terms of the deal that was mentioned in the post (a second level pitching prospect and AJ Jimenez), isn’t it worth it?

    AJ Jimenez is pretty injury-prone and we will hopefully sign Pentacost soon. Wouldn’t it be a risk worth taking? Besides that, totally agree about the other guys. Most of them would cost too much. Only other reasonable deal that could come about, may be with Hill, but doubt that.

    • RyanMueller

      Shadman
      Thanks for the comment and not bashing me. I am actually surprised at how many people are in agreement with not going all in on this season. I am also not sold on AJ Jimenez and having Navarro locked up for another year gives AA the luxury to move Jomenez.
      Getting a Beltre for a package outlined in the above comment would be worth it…but if Norris or Sanchez are required to make it happen I hope AA walks away.
      Ps can we include kyle drabek in any deap we make.

      • JP

        In agreemrnt with not going all in this season. We need to keep our best pitching prospects….AA should be trying to acquire the best possible 2b by giving up roster players and/or secondary prospects.

        • RyanMueller

          JP
          Which roster players would you be willing to trade?

  • Ewan Brocklehurst

    I do not want to lose Pompey, he would be a draw being home bred (Toronto). I like the idea of getting Beltre, but not if we give up too much, sign Pentacost, then Jimenez would be available. I do not want to lose Norris, Stroman or Hutchison. Maybe Matt Boyd may be attractive as a tradeable commodity.

    • RyanMueller

      I wouldn’t be counting your eggs before they hatch. Pentacost still needs to sign…he still needs to prove he can play minor league ball. What make A.J Jimenez available is the rising stock of Derick Chung and Santiago Nessy.
      I agree that packaging Jimenez with Boyd and a lower level prospect might be enough for the Rangers…but who knows.

  • Gary Kimbrel

    You wouldn’t need to sell the farm for Gordon Beckham.

    • RyanMueller

      I am not sure that acquiring any of the rumored second basemen would requirethe jays to sell the farm but we ccan’t dance if we don’t have a partner.

  • Banny Kando

    I really hope we dont go after Price or Samardizija neither of those guys are going to resign with us and if they do we will probably regret the contract after 3 or 4 years… go after a pitcher like Hammel or Kennedy. Neither would cost us a top prospect and both would be good mid rotation starters. Hammel I think would cost more then Kennedy because he is having a better year but Kennedy has a sub 3 FIP so he’s probably going to improve on his season

    • RyanMueller

      I have no idea what AA is willing to give up to get Hammel or Kennedy, but you are most likely on the right track.
      thanks for the comment.

  • bob l.

    all this trade talk makes me feel queazy. I think back to the mets trade and how good syndergaard would look in the jays rotaion (I know he’s dl’d now) . dickey has been average at best since coming over. and wouldn’t yan gomes look good behind the plate. very few of aa’s trades have been “winners” in my view. I hope he just keeps what he has and builds a rotaion of hutch ,sanchez, Norris, stroman and whomever come 2015/2016. is McGowan still an option for next year?

    • RyanMueller

      McGowan is not an option for next year….or ever. He has expressed that he feels better being used in short appearances….something to do with his blood sugar levels being easier to maintain. I have always said that we need to build a team from the draft and once we have guys (high ceiling) knocking on the door in triple-A and double-A than we can start to trade from an area of strength. Getting a solid rotation is the first step.
      Thanks for the comment bob I.

  • JT

    I would stand pat with the pitchers but look for an upgrade at 2B or 3B. I do like Hill as he does provide both a defensive upgrade and offensive upgrade. He and Zobrist are the only ones on the list that can do both without compromising offensive/defensive upgrade. I suppose Beltre can be that too but is he worth the $ at this point?
    In terms of getting a pitcher, I think internal options are just as likely to be as good or bad as getting a guy like Hammel or McCarthy or Kennedy in the AL East. The difference is, internal guys would be cheaper and the Jays don’t need to give away any assets to get these guys. And realistically, who would you replace in the rotation? I suppose Happ but when you look at the numbers, he’s comparing favorably against all #4 starters in the league. The extra pitcher may help down the stretch if the Jays choose to use 6 starters (to give the older guys a break and if Hutch or Stroman need to be shut down or better paced due to a possible innings limit) .

    • RyanMueller

      JT,
      Thanks for the comment. I feel the same way about our internal guys.

  • shamefultofan

    They need to make changrs fast..fire gibbon’s and bring in price and zobrist…gibbon’s is useless… He do not get enough from his players… i don’t think pillar should be sent down for wanting to hit… He is young and passionate and made a mistake…the garbage that is playing in his spot is hurting the blue jays all so gibbon’s can save face.. The line up needs a shake up and they need it now before its to late and we spend the fall watching other teams in the playoffs…