Sep 23, 2013; Arlington, TX, USA; Texas Rangers second baseman Ian Kinsler (5) slides home ahead of the throw to Houston Astros catcher Carlos Corporan (22) on a single by shortstop Elvis Andrus (not shown) during the fourth inning of a baseball game at Rangers Ballpark in Arlington. Mandatory Credit: Jim Cowsert-USA TODAY Sports

Blue Jays Rumors: Kinsler, Anderson Trades Fell Through


Imagine for a moment, how much differently our feelings toward the Toronto Blue Jays offseason would have been had one more move been made. Now, imagine what it would have been like had two significant moves been added to our dreary winter. Time’s up, who did you imagine coming to the Blue Jays?

I’ll bet you didn’t dream up having Ian Kinsler and Brett Anderson in a Toronto uniform, did you?

According to Shi Davidi of SportsNet, the Blue Jays had traded in hand for both Ian Kinsler and Brett Anderson, but both fell through for various reasons.

A 31-year-old, 3-time All-Star, Ian Kinsler would have been a drastic shift for the Blue Jays. With Toronto set to go with rookie Ryan Goins as their starter at second base, and possibly mixing in Maicer Izturis in there as well, Kinsler would have been a game-changer in that regard. While not considered to have the best glove at the position, Kinsler makes up for that with a bat that has seen him average a slash-line of .273/.349/.454 and an average of 20 home runs, 67 RBI, and 94 runs scored per seasons over his 8-year career.

The trade was apparently thrown away after Kinsler activated his no-trade clause, declining a trade to Toronto. Instead, he was later moved to the Detroit Tigers in exchange for Prince Fielder. Given that he cost Fielder from Detroit, one would have to wonder what Toronto had agreed to send to Texas in return. Texas was known to be looking for a slugger at the time, so the likelihood of Adam Lind being that trade chip was minimal. Jose Bautista or Edwin Encarnacion would have gotten a deal done, but would Toronto really have made that deal?

We discussed Brett Anderson extensively earlier this winter, when his name was floated out there and the Blue Jays were rumored to be involved. We also knew that this trade fell through earlier this winter due to medical concerns with Anderson, which goes without saying when the pitcher in question hasn’t made more than 19 appearances in any of the last four seasons. The deal was slated to send Sergio Santos to Oakland, which would have been a feasible risk to take for Toronto, but ultimately Anderson’s medicals scared them off enough to squash it. A healthy Brett Anderson would have been a nice pick-up for the Blue Jays, but given the injury history for the team over the last two seasons, the risk just was too tough to swallow. Anderson would get flipped to Colorado for Chris Jensen and Drew Pomeranz later in the winter.

If anything, these two attempts show that Alex Anthopoulos was willing to work on ways to solve the team’s needs through trade, and not just on the free agent market. Ultimately though, we sit here today with only Dioner Navarro to show for this winter, and little noise to the contrary.

Maybe there are other shadow deals still in the works for the ninja. Maybe this team is still in the mix somewhere, not just in free agency. However, the window to Spring Training is getting smaller, so one would have to hope this speeds up a bit.

UPDATE:

According to Ken Rosenthal, the deal with Texas was centered around both Sergio Santos and Ricky Romero. That would have been a major coup for the Blue Jays, not only landing Kinsler, but also getting moving Ricky Romero in the process. Still, you’d have to think there was more involved there, as it is hard for me to imaging Texas giving up Kinsler for that return.

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  • Gary Kimbrel

    I’m speculating but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Kinsler trade was for Kinsler and a pitcher, in exchange for Bautista and JPA.

    • RyanMueller

      It wouldn’t surprise me if JPA was apart of the proposed deal…good call.

  • Andrew van Laar

    I know he is no Ian Kinsler, but for the 2B job, no one has been talking about Chris Getz. In terms of offensively, I think there is a good chance he is better than Goins, defensively I think Goins has the edge. The one thing I do like about Getz is that he is a base stealing threat. Other than Reyes, we do not have anyone like that on the team right now (no I do not count Gose because I firmly beleive that if he is not starting, he will start the year in AAA).

    What do you guys think? Other than last year, Getz has been a solid backup. Even if Goins starts, Getz could come off the bench as a pinch runner for our slower players. I think a bench of Isturiz, Getz, Kratz (I really hope he is out backup if Thole can’t get his bat back), Sierra and Pillar gives you flexibility of speed, power and versitility.

    Any opinions?

    • RyanMueller

      I think that Getz could getz (see what I did there) a good shot at starting or at least splitting time with Izturis. If Getz has a good spring I could see Goins starting the season with AAA. I would have very little issue with this. Goins showed that he has the glove to be in Toronto, but needs to improve his offense. If he hits well in Buffalo and Getz is just getziing by (sorry) then make them swap spots…if you lose Getz to waivers, so be it.

    • brad

      I think the bench problem the Jays have has been drastically under-covered this off season. I quite like Getz and absolutely agree with you about Kratz over Thole(Dickey posted a 4.50 pitching to Thole last year…. pretty safe to assume he wasn’t doing him any exorbitant favors).

      If it were me, I would sign Jeff Baker(guy absolutely mashes lefties) as a platoon partner for Lind which pretty much guarantees a good pinch hit bat on the bench every game(whether it’s Baker or Lind). Add in Getz and Kratz plus Gose(speed and defense…. no longer time for him to be considered a prospect and thus no need for regular MiLB at bats) and Sierra. That leaves Pillar in the minors to develop(I think he’s actually going to be quite good) and Izturis off the roster

      • Andrew van Laar

        I agree about Jeff Baker but I do not about Gose and Izturis. Gose is still only 23 whereas Pillar is 25. I just don’t think theres a need to rush either guy. If anything they should both take reps in the minors and work out the kinks in their games and sign a veteran OF to team up with Sierra off the bench.

        For Izturis, I think people hate on him because of how bad he was last year. He’s not going to be that bad again. No way. Everyone forgets to look at his stats prior to last year and if he is coming off the bench to spell out infielders, thats a pretty solid player off the bench.

        • brad

          I don’t dislike Izturis but Getz is better and so is Baker….. at hitting AND fielding at every position Izturis can play. I remember Izturis being a really good infielder that was a plus at just about any position but those days are gone. He’s lost at least 2 steps and unless he brings his BA back up to the .270 range he is the 3rd best infielder on the imaginary bench.

          A great bench needs: 1 good backup catcher(Kratz), 1+ good pinch hitter(Lind/Baker… though Sierra could be an ok PH as well), 1 utility infielder(Getz), 1 fourth outfielder(Sierra) and 1 pinch runner who doesn’t play where the good pinch hitter plays(which in this case is the infield… though I suppose baker is an OK OF too…. but way better on the IF). If they sign Baker, there is room on the bench for 1 more guy(unless they shorten the pen…. which could work). For me, that guy needs to be a burner and an outfielder. There’s no reason to carry Izturis in the majors when he is the 3rd best infield option on the bench and they need speed for games Getz starts. For that reason I would say that in the absence of Rajai Davis, Gose should be in the MLB. He’s spent 2 years in AAA and 5 in the minors. If he hasn’t figured out his swing in the minors yet his only hope is development at the MLB level…. and the need is there for the team. Let him hit in situations he can succeed and see if you can build his confidence.