Trading for Matt Garza Doesn’t Make Sense for the Blue Jays

With the Chicago Cubs primed to rebuild their franchise under new president Theo Epstein, they face a dilemma in what to do with the star of their rotation, Matt Garza.

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Though Garza is, according to Epstein, “exactly the type of pitcher” that the Cubs would want to build around going forward, the 28-year-old would surely accelerate their rebuilding efforts by bringing back a bounty of prospects if he was traded. This has led to various “reports” linking the Blue Jays to the Cubs and Garza, with ESPN’s Jim Bowden even listing the Jays as the Chicago’s “best fit” in any trade scenario.

Considering the package of players that the Cubs parted with to get Garza in the first place — not to mention the weak pitching market right now — their asking price for him will be astronomical. Combine that with the fact that the Jays’ rotation will already be better in 2012 as-is, the prospects set to knock on the big-league door next season, and the deep list of available free agent starters to choose from next winter, and trading for Garza right now makes no sense for the Jays.

When the Cubs worked out a deal for Garza with the Rays last year, they paid a hefty price — a five-player package which I detailed back in January. The Cubs sent just one pitching prospect, Christopher Archer, in the deal, who was not only their reigning minor league Pitcher of the Year and No. 1 prospect, but also baseball’s 27th-best prospect, according to Baseball America at the time.

With Starlin Castro already impressing in the big leagues, the Cubs felt that their fourth-best prospect, shortstop Hak-Ju Lee, was expendable. Deemed by some as the crown jewel of the deal, Lee was also ranked as a top-100 prospect by Baseball America. Known mainly for his slick glove, Lee absolutely tore up Florida State League (A+) pitching this past season and made it to Double-A in 2011 as a 20-year-old.

On top of including depth players in outfielder Sam Fuld and catcher Robinson Chirinos, the Cubs also parted ways with Brandon Guyer, an outfielder that was considered their 10th-best prospect after he managed a .986 OPS at the Double-A level in 2010.

Though the Cubs won’t be able to fetch a package this winter similar to what they initially paid for Garza given he now has two years of  service time remaining, that hasn’t stopped rumors from circulating that not only are the Cubs seeking young starting pitching in return, but they are also eyeing Blue Jays minor league center fielders Anthony Gose and Jake Marisnick.

Assuming that one of the Jays’ top pitching prospects would represent the other main component of the deal, names like Drew Hutchison, Noah Syndergaard, Justin Nicolino, and Kyle Drabek come to mind. A package consisting of even just one of those hurlers and either Gose or Marisnick is enough to raise a few eyebrows, and if the Cubs’ asking price is as incredibly high as it is rumored to be, they would surely be asking for an additional player to round out the package, likely one that is farther away from the Majors.

Would Garza improve the Jays’ starting rotation? Sure. He evolved and matured as a pitcher in 2011, posting a career-low 3.32 ERA and 2.95 FIP in a 5 WAR debut season in Chicago. Though people are quick to argue that his improvement was because he left the AL East to pitch in the NL Central, he made a slew of adjustments that made him look like a different pitcher than when he was with Tampa Bay.

Opting to hurl his fastball a career-low 53% of the time to use his slider and changeup more than ever before, Garza established a new career-low fly ball rate this past season while posting a 46% ground ball rate; his highest in four years. He became more aggressive as well, throwing first-pitch strikes a career-high 64% of the time, which helped him operate in better counts more often.

The fact is, though, that paying a high price to acquire Garza for two seasons would not single-handedly provide answers to the many questions that the Jays are faced with heading into the 2012 campaign, ones that will become clearer as the season progresses.

What kind of production will come out of left field? Will a long-term solution emerge there? How will Colby Rasmus perform in his first full season with the Jays? Will Kelly Johnson return to his 2010 form at the plate? Will Brett Lawrie continue to rake over the course of a full season? Will a decision be made on Adam Lind at first base?

The starting rotation has its own question marks as well, but even if GM Alex Anthopoulos doesn’t add to it this winter or spring, it’s safe to say that the 2012 version will be an improvement over the 2011 group.

Ricky Romero will continue to lead the staff, aggressively go after hitters, and display emotion on the mound. After lowering both his walk rate and hits while increasing his innings pitched for the second consecutive season, one has to bank on another 200 quality innings from him. The scary part is, though, that I still don’t think we have seen the best from him yet.

Could Brett Cecil permanently regain the velocity he lost last spring and figure out how to retire right-handed hitters? We’ll have to wait and see. Regardless, it’s important that he gets innings so the Jays really assess what they have on their hands in him, good or bad. Cecil tossed at least six innings in each of his 11 starts between July and August, holding opposing hitters to a .229 average and managing a 3.54 ERA in the process. There is, however, also the option of sending him to the bullpen given his career numbers against left-handers.

Henderson Alvarez was a refreshing late-season addition this past season and figures to be a lock for the 2012 rotation given the exceptional command he displayed in his first 10 big league starts and the progress he made on his third pitch. After the 2011 season, his arm is now stretched out enough that he’ll be able hover around the 190-innings pitched mark next season.

One pitcher who seems poised for the largest improvement, though, is Brandon Morrow. On top of lowering his walk rate and hits per nine innings for the third consecutive season, he put more faith in his filthy slider in 2011 and the results speak for themselves. He increased his O-Swing% for the fifth consecutive year, and also worked ahead in the count more often by throwing first-pitch strikes a career-high 61% of the time. Needless to say, Morrow will be one of, if not the most exciting Jays players to watch next season.

Perhaps the most noticeable changes to the 2012 starting rotation, however, will actually come from two subtractions.

After being rushed to the Majors last season, Drabek was shelled to the tune of a 6.06 ERA in 14 starts while walking 55 batters in 78 innings; good for a 6.3 BB/9, a Major-League high among starting pitchers. After being able to clear his head over the off-season, Drabek will likely start the 2012 campaign in the minors to master his approach against left-handed hitters, work on his changeup, and get back to throwing his devastating curveball more often. More importantly, though, he’ll need to rebuild his confidence and rediscover the fearless attitude that made him feel as though he was invincible while he was with New Hampshire in 2010. Once the Jays do call him back up, though, he’s going to be really fun to watch, so don’t give up on him at all.

The Jays also won’t be conducting another Jo-Jo Reyes experiment in 2012 ala Tomo Ohka and Victor Zambrano, so there will be different outcomes in the 20 games and 110 innings that Reyes logged for the Jays last season — where he gave up a whopping  66 earned runs and 140 hits — in 2012.

The man who figures to take his place is, in essence, another experiment of sorts in Dustin McGowan. The former 18th-best prospect in baseball will look to build off of the four starts he made in September. Factoring in the time he spent at extended spring training, McGowan pitched roughly 80 innings in 2011. If he can stay healthy — and that’s certainly a big if — then he could log roughly 100 innings as the Jays’ fifth starter in 2012. Like Cecil, it’s imperative that McGowan gets innings, so the Jays can discover what exactly they have in him.

As nice as it would be for the Jays to use a combination of Romero, Morrow, Alvarez, Cecil, McGowan, and Drabek for the entire 2012 campaign, depth is a necessity, since the club used a total of 12 different starters in 2011. There will need to be arms waiting in the wings in case something happens.

Carlos Villanueva, Jesse Litsch, and Luis Perez made starts for the Jays last year and will remain in the organization, but there are also some impressive prospects close by in the minors. Drew Hutchison is the first name that comes to mind in terms of being close to Major-League ready, while other guys like Deck McGuire and Chad Jenkins could make the leap later in the year as well.

After assessing what they have for a few months, the Jays could add a starter at the trade deadline (a time of  interest to Anthopoulos that he has mentioned before) or at the end of the year via free agency, too.

Assuming they don’t sign new contracts with their respective clubs, Matt Cain, Zack Greinke, Cole Hamels, and Jake Peavy will lead the 2012 free agent class of starting pitchers, with other intriguing names like Brandon McCarthy, Anibal Sanchez, and Francisco Liriano in that hefty group as well. Given the wealth of talent available just one year from now, it hardly makes sense for the Jays to ship out coveted prospects to the Cubs to acquire Garza.

When Anthopoulos traded away Molina for Sergio Santos, he reiterated that it was a tough pill to swallow, but that the years of control on Santos were a crucial factor in the deal getting done. The White Sox inherited six future years of big league service from Molina, and the Jays own up to six on Santos. Anthopoulos hasn’t overpaid in one trade since taking over as GM, and parting with three top prospects in a trade for Garza won’t be his first.

I realize it’s tough to be patient for yet another season. I really do. It’s even tougher when a team is owned by Rogers and their fan base is so large, passionate, and success-starved.

There is a special kind of rebuilding going on with the Jays, one that is only two years young. When the Jays’ powerhouse, World Series roster existed in the early nineties, its foundation was formed in the late eighties. These things take time, especially if they’re to be done right, and dealing hard-to-obtain prospects for two years of a starting pitcher doesn’t fit into that plan.

There are many reasons to be excited about the Jays next season, in 2013, and beyond. Questions will be answered next season and things will become clearer, both on the big league squad and down on the farm. It’s a great time to be a Jays fan.

- JM

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  • Fullmer_Fan

    So it’s stay the course and waste another year of Bautista’s prime (as well as the rest of the team’s good players) or trade some prospects for a very good pitcher and try to win with the talented, cost-controlled team they already have.

    I’ll take the latter. Making this deal isn’t going to hinder the team’s future in any way.

  • Fullmer_Fan

    So it’s stay the course and waste another year of Bautista’s prime (as well as the rest of the team’s good players) or trade some prospects for a very good pitcher and try to win with the talented, cost-controlled team they already have.

    I’ll take the latter. Making this deal isn’t going to hinder the team’s future in any way.

  • JaysJournal

    @Fullmer_Fan I think that the point is this: there are better options out there than Matt Garza if what the Jays really want is a pitcher that will be a #2-3 for the next 4-5 year instead of just 2 seasons. If the Cubs ask for a King’s ransom for Garza, as is expected, the price could really outweigh Garza’s value to the Jays for those 2 years.

    As for Bautista, let’s face it, he really hit his prime at the wrong time. If he was 2-3 years younger, the Jays would benefit from his prime at the perfect time. It’s not up to Alex Anthopoulos to build a team super quick just to appease Bautista. It’s his job to build a team that will be a contender EVERY year, and you don’t do that by selling the farm for 2 years of Garza!!!

    The market for pitchers right now is a seller’s market. That’s why both the Padres and A’s made out like bandits in their deals and that’s why the Jays were able to get Brett Lawrie for Shaun Marcum last year. The best way to get pitching is the same way the best teams in the majors do it, internally. The prospects the Jays would deal to get Garza would likely include 2 pitchers that would yield the Jays up to 12 years of service time combined at an affordable cost.

    If it were me, I’d wait until I knew for certain we were contending before dealing that much for so little (2 years).

  • jays4life

    I agree that the asking price for Garza is way to much. He is a good pitcher but for the type of prospects they are wanting i would much rather build a package for a premium starter ala Kershaw or King Felix. Hell even Matt Cain if you could sign him to an extensio is a better option. I dont like Garza in the AL east, he was ok with tampa but not a beast. His numbers against the yankees were horrible and he fared ok against the red sox. Do you really mortgage the farm for someone to do OK?? I am not a believer that Garza honed his stuff more so then the division he played in scewed his numbers ina plus way. All im saying is if you wanna mortgage the farm do it for a better pitcher a legit #1-2 starter not someone who would come in and be OK for the jays.

    I have another question to pose to all of you as well. IF and i mean IF the jays dont contend this year and still have questions going into 2013 do you trade Bautista for some legit talent. Would you even consider dealing him now if the package was right? I just think if we dont get some big players to surround him he isnt gonna be as effective in a couple years. I would like the Braves to offer Delgado and Heyward or Teheran and Heyward for Bautista and i honestly think about taking that NOW not later…..just some food for thought and id like some opinions on it

  • Beestons Lovechild

    Amen…a passel of fully controllable years and options blue chippers, for 2 years of a soft toss career .500 middle rotation guy? No thanks.

    AA would trade his wife before he makes a Garza deal. Well, I hope he would.

  • Beestons Lovechild

    @jays4life I’d never rule out anybody, but jeez, the guy who many say (like I do) that he is the best player in the AL who has 3 productive years to go on a great team friendly contract, I dunno. Let me put it this way…King Felix straight up for Bautista is not enough. No brainer turning down the best pitcher for the best everyday player.

    Good way to get a new stadium though. After the fans burn down the Dome, they can finance a new place.

  • bballgordie

    A great writeup! We are too close to being good to take a run at Garza. While AA has said the Jays need another bat and a top end starter, he didn’t say it couldn’t be done from within or perhaps better done midseason if a trade is the route to go. Keep up the great analysis.

  • JaysJournal

    @Fullmer_Fan I think that the point is this: there are better options out there than Matt Garza if what the Jays really want is a pitcher that will be a #2-3 for the next 4-5 year instead of just 2 seasons. If the Cubs ask for a King’s ransom for Garza, as is expected, the price could really outweigh Garza’s value to the Jays for those 2 years.

    As for Bautista, let’s face it, he really hit his prime at the wrong time. If he was 2-3 years younger, the Jays would benefit from his prime at the perfect time. It’s not up to Alex Anthopoulos to build a team super quick just to appease Bautista. It’s his job to build a team that will be a contender EVERY year, and you don’t do that by selling the farm for 2 years of Garza!!!

    The market for pitchers right now is a seller’s market. That’s why both the Padres and A’s made out like bandits in their deals and that’s why the Jays were able to get Brett Lawrie for Shaun Marcum last year. The best way to get pitching is the same way the best teams in the majors do it, internally. The prospects the Jays would deal to get Garza would likely include 2 pitchers that would yield the Jays up to 12 years of service time combined at an affordable cost.

    If it were me, I’d wait until I knew for certain we were contending before dealing that much for so little (2 years).

  • jays4life

    I agree that the asking price for Garza is way to much. He is a good pitcher but for the type of prospects they are wanting i would much rather build a package for a premium starter ala Kershaw or King Felix. Hell even Matt Cain if you could sign him to an extensio is a better option. I dont like Garza in the AL east, he was ok with tampa but not a beast. His numbers against the yankees were horrible and he fared ok against the red sox. Do you really mortgage the farm for someone to do OK?? I am not a believer that Garza honed his stuff more so then the division he played in scewed his numbers ina plus way. All im saying is if you wanna mortgage the farm do it for a better pitcher a legit #1-2 starter not someone who would come in and be OK for the jays.

    I have another question to pose to all of you as well. IF and i mean IF the jays dont contend this year and still have questions going into 2013 do you trade Bautista for some legit talent. Would you even consider dealing him now if the package was right? I just think if we dont get some big players to surround him he isnt gonna be as effective in a couple years. I would like the Braves to offer Delgado and Heyward or Teheran and Heyward for Bautista and i honestly think about taking that NOW not later…..just some food for thought and id like some opinions on it

  • Beestons Lovechild

    Amen…a passel of fully controllable years and options blue chippers, for 2 years of a soft toss career .500 middle rotation guy? No thanks.

    AA would trade his wife before he makes a Garza deal. Well, I hope he would.

  • Beestons Lovechild

    @jays4life I’d never rule out anybody, but jeez, the guy who many say (like I do) that he is the best player in the AL who has 3 productive years to go on a great team friendly contract, I dunno. Let me put it this way…King Felix straight up for Bautista is not enough. No brainer turning down the best pitcher for the best everyday player.

    Good way to get a new stadium though. After the fans burn down the Dome, they can finance a new place.

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  • bballgordie

    A great writeup! We are too close to being good to take a run at Garza. While AA has said the Jays need another bat and a top end starter, he didn’t say it couldn’t be done from within or perhaps better done midseason if a trade is the route to go. Keep up the great analysis.

  • sk1234

    The point here is you don’t get a bautista type of production unless you spend 160 -175 mil in the free agent market. One thing that you have not talked here is by Postphoning the contention, rogers is benefiting hugely by saving about 25 – 30 mill on the team payroll. Buster Olney has just mentioned that the jays are thinking of cutting their payroll for the coming year. This is ridiculous. No doubt AA has done a great job until now(although I don’t agree with the Rasmus trade). The fans are upset with the JAYS OWNERSHIP not AA.

    While I agree you would not trade your top 5 prospects, you have to consider getting Garza. This will take the jays to the 88 – 90 win category. It is a dream to say the jays will go after Cole Hamels or Matt Cain next yr when they have shown they will not do the big free agent signings. @JaysJournal @Fullmer_Fan

  • JaysJournal

    @sk1234@Fullmer_Fan I’d rather wait and see what Deck McGuire, Drew Hutchison, and most notably Noah Syndergaard and Justin Nicolino provide the Jays with once they arrive. You are right that no FA acquisition will be easy or cheap, but you don’t give up any prospects for those acquisitions, making them much easier to tolerate. If the pitcher is right, I am 99% sure the money will be there to get them signed, whether it be for Matt Cain or Cole Hamels.

    I entirely believe that ownership and AA are building up a stock of cash to get the best piece for the team when it’s right.

  • Jared_Macdonald

    @JaysJournal@sk1234@Fullmer_Fan I don’t feel that the Jays have to go for Garza at all. Like Mat pointed out above, Anthopoulos’ job is not to make a quick attempt to build a contending team just because Bautista is getting older.

    With so many questions that still need answering, it would seem pointless to not only deplete the farm to get two years of Garza, but have one of those years used up in what looks to be another developmental season. I really have to problems with that, either, since the on-field product already projects to be better than what it was in 2011, and prospects will get another year under their belts which will only make them more valuable in future trades when the big league roster is more clearly defined.

  • sk1234

    The point here is you don’t get a bautista type of production unless you spend 160 -175 mil in the free agent market. One thing that you have not talked here is by Postphoning the contention, rogers is benefiting hugely by saving about 25 – 30 mill on the team payroll. Buster Olney has just mentioned that the jays are thinking of cutting their payroll for the coming year. This is ridiculous. No doubt AA has done a great job until now(although I don’t agree with the Rasmus trade). The fans are upset with the JAYS OWNERSHIP not AA.

    While I agree you would not trade your top 5 prospects, you have to consider getting Garza. This will take the jays to the 88 – 90 win category. It is a dream to say the jays will go after Cole Hamels or Matt Cain next yr when they have shown they will not do the big free agent signings. @JaysJournal @Fullmer_Fan

  • sk1234

    You can be 99% sure but that does not mean it happens. Firstly free agent pitchers are not dying to come to Bluejays and so you have to overpay to get them. AA has clearly stated that he will not overpay freeagents.Rogers has paid 13 times EBITDA to get the leafs (37.5%) instead of 6-7 times the normal practise for sports franchises but paid a pittance 125 mill for the jays (it is valued at 350 mill now) and stole the Sky dome for 25 mill. This was paid by the tax payers to the tune of 700 mill in the 1990′s. Yes they raised the payroll to 90 mill in 2008 but then started decimating it in 2009. Playing with a payroll of 70 -75 mill in this division is like rearranging chairs rather than moving forward. For all of the syndergaards’s and Nicolino’s to come up and contribute would be another 3 yrs at best and that too if it happens.

    Beeston has continuously indicated to the fans that the payroll wil bump upto 120 mill in 2012 or so. This was said by him in 2009 when he took over. He has not come to talk to the media over the last 4 weeks when so much is happening. Wonder if he is still in the organisation or does he feel betrayed by the ownership again. For the fans sake I hope it is not the case. It also looks like the rogers buying of the leafs has changed the equation for the jays this season.The TV revenue that the US teams are getting is close to 100 mill/yr. Rogers has not been paying the bluejays for this as they own both. I hope they come clean on this. This is the best site for the jays prospects information. I hope you also concentrate on the Business side of things. @JaysJournal @Fullmer_Fan

  • Jared_Macdonald

    @Beestons Lovechild@jays4life I agree with you that the Jays’ prospects would be better used in a package for a bona fide top-of-the-rotation starter. Until/if that opportunity comes along, though, then the Jays can afford to hold on to their prospects as their values build.

    As for trading Bautista, it’s an interesting thought for sure. On one hand, you could move him for an impressive package of players and prospects that would fit right into Anthopoulos’ young and controllable mantra. On the other hand, though, Bautista means a lot more to the Jays than any other team and he’s a feel-good story that increases awareness for the Jays south of the border. Plus the Jays’ track record of keeping players for the entire duration of their long(ish)-term contracts isn’t the best, so it’s likely essential that the Jays hold onto him for all five years of his deal. I’m sure there’s not a lot of people that have a problem with that!

  • TFSML

    Thank you for talking me off of the ledge with this article.

  • JaysJournal

    @sk1234@Fullmer_Fan I’d rather wait and see what Deck McGuire, Drew Hutchison, and most notably Noah Syndergaard and Justin Nicolino provide the Jays with once they arrive. You are right that no FA acquisition will be easy or cheap, but you don’t give up any prospects for those acquisitions, making them much easier to tolerate. If the pitcher is right, I am 99% sure the money will be there to get them signed, whether it be for Matt Cain or Cole Hamels.

    I entirely believe that ownership and AA are building up a stock of cash to get the best piece for the team when it’s right.

  • Jared_Macdonald

    @JaysJournal@sk1234@Fullmer_Fan I don’t feel that the Jays have to go for Garza at all. Like Mat pointed out above, Anthopoulos’ job is not to make a quick attempt to build a contending team just because Bautista is getting older.

    With so many questions that still need answering, it would seem pointless to not only deplete the farm to get two years of Garza, but have one of those years used up in what looks to be another developmental season. I really have to problems with that, either, since the on-field product already projects to be better than what it was in 2011, and prospects will get another year under their belts which will only make them more valuable in future trades when the big league roster is more clearly defined.

  • sk1234

    You can be 99% sure but that does not mean it happens. Firstly free agent pitchers are not dying to come to Bluejays and so you have to overpay to get them. AA has clearly stated that he will not overpay freeagents.Rogers has paid 13 times EBITDA to get the leafs (37.5%) instead of 6-7 times the normal practise for sports franchises but paid a pittance 125 mill for the jays (it is valued at 350 mill now) and stole the Sky dome for 25 mill. This was paid by the tax payers to the tune of 700 mill in the 1990′s. Yes they raised the payroll to 90 mill in 2008 but then started decimating it in 2009. Playing with a payroll of 70 -75 mill in this division is like rearranging chairs rather than moving forward. For all of the syndergaards’s and Nicolino’s to come up and contribute would be another 3 yrs at best and that too if it happens.

    Beeston has continuously indicated to the fans that the payroll wil bump upto 120 mill in 2012 or so. This was said by him in 2009 when he took over. He has not come to talk to the media over the last 4 weeks when so much is happening. Wonder if he is still in the organisation or does he feel betrayed by the ownership again. For the fans sake I hope it is not the case. It also looks like the rogers buying of the leafs has changed the equation for the jays this season.The TV revenue that the US teams are getting is close to 100 mill/yr. Rogers has not been paying the bluejays for this as they own both. I hope they come clean on this. This is the best site for the jays prospects information. I hope you also concentrate on the Business side of things. @JaysJournal @Fullmer_Fan

  • Jared_Macdonald

    @Beestons Lovechild@jays4life I agree with you that the Jays’ prospects would be better used in a package for a bona fide top-of-the-rotation starter. Until/if that opportunity comes along, though, then the Jays can afford to hold on to their prospects as their values build.

    As for trading Bautista, it’s an interesting thought for sure. On one hand, you could move him for an impressive package of players and prospects that would fit right into Anthopoulos’ young and controllable mantra. On the other hand, though, Bautista means a lot more to the Jays than any other team and he’s a feel-good story that increases awareness for the Jays south of the border. Plus the Jays’ track record of keeping players for the entire duration of their long(ish)-term contracts isn’t the best, so it’s likely essential that the Jays hold onto him for all five years of his deal. I’m sure there’s not a lot of people that have a problem with that!

  • TFSML

    Thank you for talking me off of the ledge with this article.

  • fran_kle

    As a Cubs fan, it’s going to be tough to let this guy go for a bunch of unproven prospects. Also, as a Cubs fan, I would strongly urge you to stop thinking about 2015. The AL East is really winable. Red Sox are coming off a sub-par year, turmoil, and added probably one of the cookiest managers ever to suit up. The Yanks are good, but how good can their pitching be this year. The Rays will be solid. The O’s, well, there’s a cellar for them. The rest of the AL is okay – couple of contenders in the West and perhaps a couple in the Central. Point being, the Wild Card is in reach. Having a solid 3-4-5, whatever, pitcher is pretty clutch. Garza would be an awesome fit to put the Jays into that 90-95 win area – right in the thick of the wild card. Sure, maybe the price is too steep, but relying on unproven kids to pull the yoke of future championships has been what Cubs’ management has been doing to us for decades [read: Hee Seop Choi]

    Cheers.

  • jakely

    I personally have no problem being patient waiting for this to come together. 15 years of lost in the wilderness was soul sucking. This is set up very nicely and as long as they dont screw it up pulling some premature Ricciardi type move, we’re going to get there. No way they should part with a big package and not get better than Garza back. I shudder to think of Fielder at 10, 250. Sumo and long term should never go together in any sport. Except maybe sumo. Know how many quarter pounders you can get for a quarter bill? Me neither, but it’s lots. It’s a certainty we would regret that soon enough. Patience isn’t so hard to deal with when it is so obviously required. Prospects are obviously no sure thing, but how will we not be pitching rich soon enough with so many arms coming. I dont see Romero, Alvarez or Morrow going anywhere. They are nowhere near old. 2 spots to fill and a rotation or more worth of arms coming. Good odds that fills the rotation and pen. Let it the kids grow a bit , let’s see some more debuts, make serious moves when we know how things play out in house a bit more.

  • fran_kle

    As a Cubs fan, it’s going to be tough to let this guy go for a bunch of unproven prospects. Also, as a Cubs fan, I would strongly urge you to stop thinking about 2015. The AL East is really winable. Red Sox are coming off a sub-par year, turmoil, and added probably one of the cookiest managers ever to suit up. The Yanks are good, but how good can their pitching be this year. The Rays will be solid. The O’s, well, there’s a cellar for them. The rest of the AL is okay – couple of contenders in the West and perhaps a couple in the Central. Point being, the Wild Card is in reach. Having a solid 3-4-5, whatever, pitcher is pretty clutch. Garza would be an awesome fit to put the Jays into that 90-95 win area – right in the thick of the wild card. Sure, maybe the price is too steep, but relying on unproven kids to pull the yoke of future championships has been what Cubs’ management has been doing to us for decades [read: Hee Seop Choi]

    Cheers.

  • jakely

    I personally have no problem being patient waiting for this to come together. 15 years of lost in the wilderness was soul sucking. This is set up very nicely and as long as they dont screw it up pulling some premature Ricciardi type move, we’re going to get there. No way they should part with a big package and not get better than Garza back. I shudder to think of Fielder at 10, 250. Sumo and long term should never go together in any sport. Except maybe sumo. Know how many quarter pounders you can get for a quarter bill? Me neither, but it’s lots. It’s a certainty we would regret that soon enough. Patience isn’t so hard to deal with when it is so obviously required. Prospects are obviously no sure thing, but how will we not be pitching rich soon enough with so many arms coming. I dont see Romero, Alvarez or Morrow going anywhere. They are nowhere near old. 2 spots to fill and a rotation or more worth of arms coming. Good odds that fills the rotation and pen. Let it the kids grow a bit , let’s see some more debuts, make serious moves when we know how things play out in house a bit more.

  • gnor

    A very good take, Jared, and yes, patience is the key.

    There are 2 ways to get your veggies. You can go down to the market and pay the asking price, or you can grow your own. If you grow your own, it takes time, patience and a bit of work, but the end result is cheaper, and better for you.

  • gnor

    A very good take, Jared, and yes, patience is the key.

    There are 2 ways to get your veggies. You can go down to the market and pay the asking price, or you can grow your own. If you grow your own, it takes time, patience and a bit of work, but the end result is cheaper, and better for you.

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    Thank god for SOMEONE realising that it’s incredibly stupid to have this guy for top prospects.

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    Thank god for SOMEONE realising that it’s incredibly stupid to have this guy for top prospects.