Jays Draft Review: Sign 8 Players Taken in First 4 Rounds of 2011 Draft


 When Alex Anthopoulos spoke to the media and stated that he was happy with the way the 2011 draft wound up for the Toronto Blue Jays, I completely understood why. Not only did the Jays add 8 players taken in the first 4 rounds of the 2011 draft to their already top-notch minors system, but they also added a few players selected later that were projected to be first round or sandwich pick talents. Getting those players under contract has resulted in what I would call a phenomely successful draft class for the Jays, this despite not coming to an agreement with their first round pick, Tyler Beede.

Before I get into my thoughts on the draft, I’ll recap the players signed to contracts where the reported amount of the bonus is known (rd taken in brackets):

  • Jacob Anderson (1S) $990,000
  • Joe Musgrove (1S) $500,000
  • Dwight Smith Jr (1S) $800,000
  • Kevin Comer (1S) $1,650,000
  • Daniel Norris (2) $2,000,000
  • Jeremy Grabryszwski (2) $575,000
  • John Stilson (3) $500,000
  • Thomas Robson (4) $375,000
  • Christian Lopes (7) $800,000
  • Mark Biggs (8) $600,000
  • Matt Dean (13) $737,500

Overall, the amounts of bonuses we know the Jays gave out is approximately $9.8 million. However, if we assume that Anthony DeSclafani (6), Andrew Burns (11), Jonathon Berti (18), and Brady Dragmire (17) got $500K, $300K, $200K, and 200K respectively, and that the remainder of the draft picks signed got a minimum of $50K, the Jays spent $11.7675 million as a minimum in this draft year. If it’s a decent approximation, this makes it the second year in a row that the Jays exceed the $11 million mark after they spent $11.594 million in 2010 and they would come close to – if not exceed - the amount that the Nationals paid out that season ($11.927) despite having to sign Bryce Harper to a massive deal. Whether or not the Jays exceed what the Nationals spent in 2010, they will undoubtedly once again be in the top 5-7 spending teams in MLB when it comes to draft bonuses.

The best Tweets of the night, as the bonuses came in, included one by Wonderthought which was sent to @DanielNorris18 and stated “When Daniel Norris throws a baseball at the sea, it parts.” In case you are unaware of why the reference was made, Norris is a very religiously conscious individual, which makes the parting of the Red Sea reference more clever. Before I signed off of Twitter last night, I predicted, through the deductive reasoning I based on “Tweet-ittude”, that both Norris and Comer would sign, while Beede would walk, and I was not disappointed.

However, I’d like to look at this year’s draft as a huge positive for many reasons, and here they are in no certain order:

  • In 2010, the Jays signed 35 players of 54. This year, a similar number with 35 of 55!
  • In 2010, the Jays were the 3rd highest spending team in the draft. This year, they should be close to that again.
  • In 2010, the Jays really focused on pitching and its highest ceilinged pitchers. In 2011, they also focused on pitching, but also added some of the best bats in the class in Jacob Anderson, Dwight Smith Jr, Matt Dean, and Christian Lopes. To me, this was extremely important so that the Jays could ensure the pitching was supported in the future by some excellent position players. Reportedly, Anderson has huge power potential, Dean was the best 3B prep bat, Lopes may have been the best SS in the class, and Smith can simply do it all with tremendous talent. The hitters drafted in 2010 were not nearly as impressive as any of these guys and I don’t believe any of them can challenge these 4 players talent and potential wise. Perhaps Dickie Thon and Marcus Knecht could challenge them, but that’s about it.
  • In 2010, the Jays landed the just mentioned Knecht, a native of Toronto, as a prominent Canadian draft pick. In 2011, the Jays also took a prominent Canadian pick in Thomas Robson who definitely has the potential to make it to The Show. They also added and signed Justin Atkinson and Eric Brown who both hail from British Columbia.
  • When we objectively look at the top 9 picks the Jays made within the first 4 rounds of the draft, and realize that 3 others belonged in the 1S or 2nd rounds (Matt Dean, Christian Lopes, and Mark Biggs), we get the realistic view that missing out on 1 within that group isn’t a big deal in the least, particularly when the Jays will be compensated with a similar pick in 2012 (the 22nd pick overall). In truth, the Jays added 11 players worthy of top 4 round selections in this draft, and that’s quite a haul for any team to add in one draft class.
  • I’d also like to point out that there are a few players that are really opening up some eyes after being drafted in the late rounds of the 2011 draft. OF Eric Arce (19) (.286/.450/.639 with 12 HRs in 133 ABs), SP David Rollins (21) (4-0 with 1.71 ERA and only 3 BB in 35 IP, 29 Ks), and 2B Jonathon Berti (21) (.319/.407/.410 with 7 extra base hits and 16 SB in 144 ABs) in particular have really come out of the gates very strong. Arce had been projected as a top 4 rd pick until he got into trouble, so he very well may make good on that promise, which would provide the Jays with 12 players worthy of top 4 round selections in this draft. Meanwhile, the 44th rd pick, RP Colby Broussard, has a 1.85 ERA with 6 saves, 8 BB, and 16 Ks in the GCL. The point is that there could be a lot of gems in this draft class for the Jays, and they are not all going to come from the top of the board.

Already Loaded With Pitching Talent

I don’t like to point this out since it may sound a little odd, but there are only so many spots to go around in the Jays minors system, and there are only so many spots in the big league rotation/roster to be had. Alex Anthopoulos likes to talk about “waves” of talent to come aboard year after year in order to provide the Jays with chances at championships. Well, if we look at the way things currently look across the system – including the majors – we get the following view of possible impact pitching:

When you look down that list, and see a very young rotation, you realize that there are few spots available in the near future. Then you see a preliminary potential ace filled rotation of 5 of the following pitchers: Ricky Romero, Brandon Morrow, Drew Hutchison, Noah Syndergaard, Justin Nicolino, and Adonys Cardona for the 2015 season, and then have to conside how you’ll work guys like Aaron Sanchez, Joel Carreno, Nestor Molina, and others into the mix, you get a sense of where I’m headed with this. The Jays are actually served fairly well in getting the 22nd overall pick in 2012 so that they can have yet another “wave” of talent with 2 first round picks from the 2012 class, as well as their usual few sandwich picks. If the Jays decide to use these picks for…say…a few College bats that are very close to major league ready, all of the sudden you’ve got a mix of extremely talented pitching coming up the ranks and the bats in the lineup to support them. If they decide to grab more pitching, because you never have enough pitching, they have the ammunition usually required to go out there and grab whatever it is they’re missing on the trade market.

The New Wave

If we “project” where the best starting pitchers of the 2011 class to be the following: Daniel Norris, Kevin Comer, Jeremy Gabryszwski, Thomas Robson, Anthony DeSclafani, and Mark Biggs, then the Jays have just added yet another “wave” of talent set to take over down the pipe line. Of the 6 pitchers, 5 are out of High School, which tells us that the majority of these guys will take over spots with the GCL and Bluefield Jays. Meanwhile, the others move up the ranks, and the waves coordinate one behind the other to provide the Jays with an enviable amount of pitching talent down the pipe.

Added to the International Signings

Oh, and I’m not done yet. We also have to remember that ealier this year, the Jays also signed some international free agents. The aformentioned Osman Gutierrez (16) was signed by the Jays for $210K, Dawel Lugo (16) – a first round talent to be sure – was signed for $1.3 million, SS/OF Wilmer Beccera, RHP Manuel Cardoba, and OF Jesus Gonzalez. All of these players add to the work the Jays have done in the draft and provide them with more top 4 type talents in the organization. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I consider the possibility that Alex Anthopoulos and his scouting team now work in this fashion: if you’re not a top 4 round type talent, you really have to impress us to make any of our minors clubs, because we’re going to fill those teams with so much talent that you won’t get much in the way of playing time if your talent isn’t up to par.

When added to the $3.5 million they spent on Adonys Cardona and Gabriel Cenas and the $10 million given to Adeiny Hechavarria, it’s evident that the Jays will continue to be part of the top 6 spending teams in the international market.

Wait a minute….let’s review. Under Alex Anthopoulos, the Jays are within the top 3 spending teams of both drafts he has managed, and are also within the top 6 international market spending teams. What does that result in? A massive amount of talent coming up the minors system, the likes of which Jays fans have never witnessed.

Later Tyler Beede!

After knowing this, I’m supposed to be “sad” or “angry” that Tyler Beede decided to do what 99.9% of people in his position couldn’t bring themselves to do: say no to $2.5 million? I don’t think so. In fact, I’ll go out on a limb and will say this: in 3 years, at some point in time, Tyler Beede and his father Walter will both regret not taking the bonus money from the Jays. Not only will the Jays be competing for championships every year at that point, but he’ll get drafted by a team that certainly won’t be a “contender”, if he actually makes good on his promise as a pitcher. If he doesn’t make good on his promise as a pitcher, or gets injured – always a big possibility for pitchers – he may wind up with half a million dollars or less. I look at what Vanderbilt’s Grayson Garvin got after a fairly successful career there, $370K, and I think to myself that Beede could possibly wind up in the very same spot.

If Beede is attending Vanderbilt because he truly wanted to get the College experience and doesn’t really care about becoming a pro, then he made the right choice. However, if he made the decision based on his belief that he would get Gerrit Cole type money in 2014, he is likely in for a reality shock. A lot can happen between now and then. Slotting systems could change, and likely will, injuries could occur, or he could find himself being less effective against better hitting.

Finally, Tyler stated that he and his father placed the value of a Vanderbilt education at more than $2.5 million. What? Really? I’m fairly certain that $2.5 million would more than cover the costs of the education, and that the Jays were more than willing to cover those costs as they have done with numerous other picks. Don’t go around making things up Tyler, just say it as it is: you didn’t want to be a pro, you wanted more money, and you couldn’t care less about becoming a Toronto Blue Jays pitcher. That package of thoughts has me somewhat happy that he didn’t sign, and very hopeful that the Jays will find similar – if not better – talent in the 2012 draft with the 22nd overall pick.

I believe his not signing with the Jays was a huge mistake on his part, but that it won’t affect the Jays negatively at all if they use the 2012 pick effectively.

Final Draft Thoughts

When you add three first round pitching talents (Norris, Comer, and Stilson), the best 3B prep of the draft (Dean), and a top 3 SS prospect of the draft (Lopes) in one draft class, you know you’ve done extremely well. Add in the rest of the potential that the Jays invested in this year and you’ve got a very successful draft class overall. The Jays stuck to their game plan by not throwing money at Beede and also sent a message to future Jays draft picks. The message is this: yes, we have money to spend, but once we place a value on you as a draft pick, we are not budging. Take it, or leave it, that’s what we’re offering you. Not only was that important in Beede’s case in order to ensure the Jays got fair value if they signed him, but it’s so very important that the expectations are set by this precedent.

The Jays were able to play hard ball with Beede for one simply reason: they had added enough top 1-4 rd talent throughout the draft to ensure that it was going to be a successful draft, with or without Beede included. I’ve counted up to 12 players in this draft that could feasibly be viewed as top 4 rd talents for the Jays. That’s 3 picks per round on average for the first 4 rounds folks. If the Jays and their fans can’t call that, and the money it took to get them signed, a successful draft year, I’d be stunned.

Alex Anthopoulos and Andrew Tinnish did an exemplarary job in the 2011 draft. They gave the Jays plenty of talent to work with, invested plenty to make sure the Jays are within the top teams in terms of talent added, and they have now set a precedent that should affect future draft years positively. Whether a hard slotting system goes into place or not, the Jays will not over-value draft picks, and that’s a great thing for the franchise. With some cash “saved” from this class after not signing Beede, I could envision the Jays spending a little more on the international market in the future. With guys like Yu Darvish and other set to enter that market, every penny counts!

When the Jays completed their 2011 draft, Jim Callis of BA and others proclaimed that they had been one of the most aggressive teams in selecting “hard to sign” players. Well, they signed 5 of the 6 hardest to sign players from the class (Smith, Norris, Comer, Dean, and Lopes), so how can I not grade this draft accordingly?

Draft Grade: A

- MG

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  • BJFAN

    @JaysJournal BA would tell you the same thing. But here’s Kendall Rogers of Perfect Game if you’d like some perspective:

    Kendall Rogers: Pete, This year’s draft is MUCH stronger than what the 2012 draft is expected to be.

  • jaysfan#2

    the jays signed Hecheveria a SS from Cuba for 10 million last year.. He is hitting .235 with a .275 on base pct… If i were Jays I would stay away from International signings @JaysJournal

  • jaysfan#2

    the jays signed Hecheveria a SS from Cuba for 10 million last year.. He is hitting .235 with a .275 on base pct… If i were Jays I would stay away from International signings @JaysJournal

  • jaysfan#2

    What big leaguers have this premium staff drafted ? @JaysJournal @mpolak

  • jaysfan#2

    What big leaguers have this premium staff drafted ? @JaysJournal @mpolak

  • jaysfan#2

    How did he acquire all the players you just mentioned ? @JaysJournal

  • jaysfan#2

    How did he acquire all the players you just mentioned ? @JaysJournal

  • jaysfan#2

    Tell me when do you think Synderguard and Sanchez will be getting to the big leagues? How bout Drabek his era in triple is a little concerning wouldnt you say @JaysJournal @rafaelpohlak

  • jaysfan#2

    Tell me when do you think Synderguard and Sanchez will be getting to the big leagues? How bout Drabek his era in triple is a little concerning wouldnt you say @JaysJournal @rafaelpohlak

  • jaysfan#2

    Look we all love the Jays,, AA has a very young inexperienced Scouting director, Im sure he is covering for Andrew Tinnish a little bit. He got fooled by Beede, the kid wrote a letter telling teams NOT to draft him and they still thought they could sign him.. Its a mistake. No biggie just learn from it and move on

  • jaysfan#2

    Look we all love the Jays,, AA has a very young inexperienced Scouting director, Im sure he is covering for Andrew Tinnish a little bit. He got fooled by Beede, the kid wrote a letter telling teams NOT to draft him and they still thought they could sign him.. Its a mistake. No biggie just learn from it and move on

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  • JaysJournal

    @jaysfan#2 I think that the Pirates signing Bell also shows us that sometimes, the letter doesn’t mean anything at all. Hopefully they do learn from this experience in the sense that if they do draft someone with such a letter, they have to be ready to “show him the money”. If not, pick someone else!

  • JaysJournal

    @jaysfan#2 I think that the Pirates signing Bell also shows us that sometimes, the letter doesn’t mean anything at all. Hopefully they do learn from this experience in the sense that if they do draft someone with such a letter, they have to be ready to “show him the money”. If not, pick someone else!

  • JaysJournal

    @Mylegacy Thanks as always for the well written comments. Hey, I’m a HUGE fan of adding Prince and do believe he’d take the Jays to a new level, I’m just worried about the size of contract it would take (particularly the length) and how he’ll wear down. If the Jays can sign him to an “AA style” contract, I’m sure they will. But, my gut tells me that the Giants, Red Sox (bye-bye Ortiz) and Yankees (DH) will all show him more money. Just a gut feeling and I entirely hope I’m wrong.

  • JaysJournal

    @Mylegacy Thanks as always for the well written comments. Hey, I’m a HUGE fan of adding Prince and do believe he’d take the Jays to a new level, I’m just worried about the size of contract it would take (particularly the length) and how he’ll wear down. If the Jays can sign him to an “AA style” contract, I’m sure they will. But, my gut tells me that the Giants, Red Sox (bye-bye Ortiz) and Yankees (DH) will all show him more money. Just a gut feeling and I entirely hope I’m wrong.

  • JaysJournal

    @jaysfan#2 Wait a minute here…. You’d stay away from signing guys like Henderson Alvarez, Joel Carreno, Moises Sierra, Carlos Perez, Santiago Nessy, Adony Cardona,….ect….ect..??? All are excellent Jays prospects. If that’s not enough for you, how do you think the Ms got Felix Hernandez? Or the Yankees got Robinson Cano? How about Hanley Ramirez?

    The truth of it is, if the Jays don’t invest on the international market, they pretty much don’t stand a chance vs the Red Sox and Yankees.

    Adeiny is hitting .529/.579/.706 through 4 games in AAA. Tiny sample size, but he continues to play better as he climbs the ladder. Wait until you see him in the majors to pass judgment, that’s all I’m saying.

  • JaysJournal

    @jaysfan#2 Wait a minute here…. You’d stay away from signing guys like Henderson Alvarez, Joel Carreno, Moises Sierra, Carlos Perez, Santiago Nessy, Adony Cardona,….ect….ect..??? All are excellent Jays prospects. If that’s not enough for you, how do you think the Ms got Felix Hernandez? Or the Yankees got Robinson Cano? How about Hanley Ramirez?

    The truth of it is, if the Jays don’t invest on the international market, they pretty much don’t stand a chance vs the Red Sox and Yankees.

    Adeiny is hitting .529/.579/.706 through 4 games in AAA. Tiny sample size, but he continues to play better as he climbs the ladder. Wait until you see him in the majors to pass judgment, that’s all I’m saying.

  • JaysJournal

    @jaysfan#2 @mpolak None…yet, but the same staff also told the Jays to target Yunel Escobar, Brett Lawrie, and Colby Rasmus in trade, and look where that got us!

    Have faith buddy, have faith.

  • JaysJournal

    @jaysfan#2 @mpolak None…yet, but the same staff also told the Jays to target Yunel Escobar, Brett Lawrie, and Colby Rasmus in trade, and look where that got us!

    Have faith buddy, have faith.

  • JaysJournal

    @catalyst Completely agree!

  • JaysJournal

    @catalyst Completely agree!

  • JaysJournal

    @sam1 @catalyst We’ll see, but I do know that BA likes Deck McGuire and Drew Hutchison enough to put him on that list for certain, rank Justin Nicolino as one of the best pitcher in SS ball, and absolutely love Noah Syndergaard’s potential and ceiling. There’s 4 right there, and that’s before we consider the performance of Adonys Cardona who is performing very well as the youngest pitcher – by far – in the GCL. I also believe Nestor Molina and Joel Carreno have a fair shot.

  • JaysJournal

    @sam1 @catalyst We’ll see, but I do know that BA likes Deck McGuire and Drew Hutchison enough to put him on that list for certain, rank Justin Nicolino as one of the best pitcher in SS ball, and absolutely love Noah Syndergaard’s potential and ceiling. There’s 4 right there, and that’s before we consider the performance of Adonys Cardona who is performing very well as the youngest pitcher – by far – in the GCL. I also believe Nestor Molina and Joel Carreno have a fair shot.

  • jaysfan#2

    True you make a good point and others have written “dont take me letters” and have still signed.. This kid wanted a ton of money and it didnt work. @JaysJournal

  • jaysfan#2

    True you make a good point and others have written “dont take me letters” and have still signed.. This kid wanted a ton of money and it didnt work. @JaysJournal

  • jaysfan#2

    Of course not I was being sarcastic, you need international signings, and Henderson Alavarez is an excellent one for the Jays. Cardona we will have to wait on until he does something for the big club… But your right every team except maybe for the Twins uses the International market for success. I just dont give credit to any team until there drafts or signings are playing in the big leagues and AA has made some terrific trades with prospects that werent his for some excellent players.. But we dont know how his drafts will turn out yet. @JaysJournal

  • jaysfan#2

    Of course not I was being sarcastic, you need international signings, and Henderson Alavarez is an excellent one for the Jays. Cardona we will have to wait on until he does something for the big club… But your right every team except maybe for the Twins uses the International market for success. I just dont give credit to any team until there drafts or signings are playing in the big leagues and AA has made some terrific trades with prospects that werent his for some excellent players.. But we dont know how his drafts will turn out yet. @JaysJournal

  • JayHowell

    Just putting it out there, if he was really all that, I honestly think AA would’ve dished out the dough to him. Also Beede was demanding 3.5…..we didn’t even give McGuire that much money. What does that say about an organization that gives a 21st overall pick more than their 11th overall pick in McGuire who honestly who was more of a proven commodity than Beede at his drafting (Being a college pitcher and showing only improvement and development over those years), Whereas with most high school pitchers….its honestly a gamble every time. But hey I’m still sad we didn’t sign Beede, he still could be a good pitcher, but look at the bright side, we get a compensation pick that’s probably gonna be lower than our own original draft pick, and when free agency hits, well we can now sign that type A closer and still have our original and higher pick. Beede might’ve pitched in the big leagues but that’s three years down the road minimum…..Bleep that I wanna win now. If we were with league average in saves……we’d be 13 games over 500. Lets look at priority folks its the jays we want winning now, not worrying bout potentional down the road…especially when we already have so much upcoming potential already.@jaysfan#2

  • JayHowell

    Just putting it out there, if he was really all that, I honestly think AA would’ve dished out the dough to him. Also Beede was demanding 3.5…..we didn’t even give McGuire that much money. What does that say about an organization that gives a 21st overall pick more than their 11th overall pick in McGuire who honestly who was more of a proven commodity than Beede at his drafting (Being a college pitcher and showing only improvement and development over those years), Whereas with most high school pitchers….its honestly a gamble every time. But hey I’m still sad we didn’t sign Beede, he still could be a good pitcher, but look at the bright side, we get a compensation pick that’s probably gonna be lower than our own original draft pick, and when free agency hits, well we can now sign that type A closer and still have our original and higher pick. Beede might’ve pitched in the big leagues but that’s three years down the road minimum…..Bleep that I wanna win now. If we were with league average in saves……we’d be 13 games over 500. Lets look at priority folks its the jays we want winning now, not worrying bout potentional down the road…especially when we already have so much upcoming potential already.@jaysfan#2

  • MatthewMueller

    @jaysfan#2 The missed opportunity is overblown. We get 2 picks next year in the top 22. This year’s draft was heralded for its depth. As long as their are 22 MLB caliber talents in next year’s draft we should get equal value for that pick.

  • MatthewMueller

    @jaysfan#2 The missed opportunity is overblown. We get 2 picks next year in the top 22. This year’s draft was heralded for its depth. As long as their are 22 MLB caliber talents in next year’s draft we should get equal value for that pick.

  • sam1

    @JaysJournal@catalyst I would agree that these pitchers are impressing people. However, McGuire profiles as a fly-ball pitcher with average stuff and command. I don’t see frontline potential there. In fact, most baseball publications don’t. Hutchison is having a phenomenal year and really looks the part of ML starter. Still he’s only a year removed from A ball and still probably needs 200 more innings of refinement before he breaks through. So, if they are in the BA top 100, it’ll probably be in the back end. I would surprised if either break the top 50. Molina is relatively new to pitching and needs another 200 innings at least as well. With position changers there’s also an increased change of injury. Carreno has two pitches. He’s destined for the bullpen. I don’t think he has the fastball for the backend, but he’ll be a good arm there. The other guys have thrown 50 innings of professional ball at some of the lowest levels. They’ve had success and hopefully will continue to succeed, but they will not be on any lists.

    So what do you have? I would suggest that the Jays have one, maybe two prospects on MLB’s top 50. And maybe three or four on BA’s top 100.

    The highest guy being ranked will likely be d’Arnaud followed by Hutchison. Anthony Gose probably sneaks on the BA list due to tools and McGuire makes it based on draft position. Molina I don’t see it, nor Carreno.

  • sam1

    @JaysJournal@catalyst I would agree that these pitchers are impressing people. However, McGuire profiles as a fly-ball pitcher with average stuff and command. I don’t see frontline potential there. In fact, most baseball publications don’t. Hutchison is having a phenomenal year and really looks the part of ML starter. Still he’s only a year removed from A ball and still probably needs 200 more innings of refinement before he breaks through. So, if they are in the BA top 100, it’ll probably be in the back end. I would surprised if either break the top 50. Molina is relatively new to pitching and needs another 200 innings at least as well. With position changers there’s also an increased change of injury. Carreno has two pitches. He’s destined for the bullpen. I don’t think he has the fastball for the backend, but he’ll be a good arm there. The other guys have thrown 50 innings of professional ball at some of the lowest levels. They’ve had success and hopefully will continue to succeed, but they will not be on any lists.

    So what do you have? I would suggest that the Jays have one, maybe two prospects on MLB’s top 50. And maybe three or four on BA’s top 100.

    The highest guy being ranked will likely be d’Arnaud followed by Hutchison. Anthony Gose probably sneaks on the BA list due to tools and McGuire makes it based on draft position. Molina I don’t see it, nor Carreno.

  • sam1

    @JaysJournal@catalyst I think also, in comparison to the Rays. A lot of there guys have projected to be top of the rotation type talents. Price, Davis, Hellickson, Moore, Garza, Kazmir, even Niemann to a certain extent. Go back to prospect lists and projections and these guys were all placed well above a lot of the guys you’re referencing.

  • sam1

    @JaysJournal@catalyst I think also, in comparison to the Rays. A lot of there guys have projected to be top of the rotation type talents. Price, Davis, Hellickson, Moore, Garza, Kazmir, even Niemann to a certain extent. Go back to prospect lists and projections and these guys were all placed well above a lot of the guys you’re referencing.

  • key22

    Do a google search on “blame baseball if Votto Leaves. Then consider how the Jays match-up versus other teams. Consider Votto and Lawrie on the same infield as a marketing tool.

  • key22

    Do a google search on “blame baseball if Votto Leaves. Then consider how the Jays match-up versus other teams. Consider Votto and Lawrie on the same infield as a marketing tool.

  • Gribble

    Eh? I’m sure AA made the decision along side Tinnish on how far to go with Beede and ultimately not decide to go further because the pick was protected. Another $500K or so might have gotten Beede signed but they weren’t willing to go that far. That’s a business decision. Has nothing to do with whether Beede would sign or not, he clearly would have had the Jays offered more money.

    Hence the philosophy of picking who they like best, regardless of whether they eventually sign them or not. And they did sign most of their guys.

  • Gribble

    Eh? I’m sure AA made the decision along side Tinnish on how far to go with Beede and ultimately not decide to go further because the pick was protected. Another $500K or so might have gotten Beede signed but they weren’t willing to go that far. That’s a business decision. Has nothing to do with whether Beede would sign or not, he clearly would have had the Jays offered more money.

    Hence the philosophy of picking who they like best, regardless of whether they eventually sign them or not. And they did sign most of their guys.