Comments on: Toronto Blue Jays Fan Dilemma http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/ A Toronto Blue Jays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:16:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: RonB.Rown http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-951048 RonB.Rown Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:53:48 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10492#comment-951048 @cb1111 @itsagameson @gnor That's a whole lot of misguidedness in one comment there..... @cb1111 @itsagameson @gnor That’s a whole lot of misguidedness in one comment there…..

]]> By: RonB.Rown http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-951047 RonB.Rown Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:49:50 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10492#comment-951047 @itsagameson I'm iffy on contracts like Fielders. The very nature of a free agent signing - especially when you're a team that players aren't willing to take pay-cuts to come play for - is that you got the player because you were willing to spend more than anyone else would. The winning big is thus over-paying compared to what every other team was willing to pay. The Jays tend to have to overpay even more because coming here has negative consequences that don't apply to American teams - e.g., no exposure on ESPN. You factor that in with a 9 years contract with an average value of 24M a year, and you're taking on a lot of risk and inflexibility. I like the path that AA has gone - building a top-flight farm system and trading for high-upsiders like Rasmus and Sergio Santos. In terms of locking in future A-listers, buying out arbitration years of players like Romero and Lawrie is one GREAT approach. Another approach is to engage in mid-season prospects for prostars trades to acquire players on non-awful contracts that still have a few years left on them. If we pursue these non big money approaches a little longer the Jays will continue to build up their winning potential and hype and both of these factors will make Toronto a more desirable team for big money free agents. When we're just a player or two away from being imminent playoff threats, that'll be the time to go after those big free agents if they're the best way to push us over the top. They'll come cheaper (compared to the market) then than now, too, because Toronto will be a more desirable team to be on. @itsagameson I’m iffy on contracts like Fielders. The very nature of a free agent signing – especially when you’re a team that players aren’t willing to take pay-cuts to come play for – is that you got the player because you were willing to spend more than anyone else would. The winning big is thus over-paying compared to what every other team was willing to pay. The Jays tend to have to overpay even more because coming here has negative consequences that don’t apply to American teams – e.g., no exposure on ESPN. You factor that in with a 9 years contract with an average value of 24M a year, and you’re taking on a lot of risk and inflexibility. I like the path that AA has gone – building a top-flight farm system and trading for high-upsiders like Rasmus and Sergio Santos. In terms of locking in future A-listers, buying out arbitration years of players like Romero and Lawrie is one GREAT approach. Another approach is to engage in mid-season prospects for prostars trades to acquire players on non-awful contracts that still have a few years left on them. If we pursue these non big money approaches a little longer the Jays will continue to build up their winning potential and hype and both of these factors will make Toronto a more desirable team for big money free agents. When we’re just a player or two away from being imminent playoff threats, that’ll be the time to go after those big free agents if they’re the best way to push us over the top. They’ll come cheaper (compared to the market) then than now, too, because Toronto will be a more desirable team to be on.

]]> By: RonB.Rown http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-5603 RonB.Rown Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:53:48 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10492#comment-5603 @cb1111 @itsagameson @gnor That's a whole lot of misguidedness in one comment there..... @cb1111 @itsagameson @gnor That’s a whole lot of misguidedness in one comment there…..

]]> By: RonB.Rown http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-5602 RonB.Rown Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:49:50 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10492#comment-5602 @itsagameson I'm iffy on contracts like Fielders. The very nature of a free agent signing - especially when you're a team that players aren't willing to take pay-cuts to come play for - is that you got the player because you were willing to spend more than anyone else would. The winning big is thus over-paying compared to what every other team was willing to pay. The Jays tend to have to overpay even more because coming here has negative consequences that don't apply to American teams - e.g., no exposure on ESPN. You factor that in with a 9 years contract with an average value of 24M a year, and you're taking on a lot of risk and inflexibility. I like the path that AA has gone - building a top-flight farm system and trading for high-upsiders like Rasmus and Sergio Santos. In terms of locking in future A-listers, buying out arbitration years of players like Romero and Lawrie is one GREAT approach. Another approach is to engage in mid-season prospects for prostars trades to acquire players on non-awful contracts that still have a few years left on them. If we pursue these non big money approaches a little longer the Jays will continue to build up their winning potential and hype and both of these factors will make Toronto a more desirable team for big money free agents. When we're just a player or two away from being imminent playoff threats, that'll be the time to go after those big free agents if they're the best way to push us over the top. They'll come cheaper (compared to the market) then than now, too, because Toronto will be a more desirable team to be on. @itsagameson I’m iffy on contracts like Fielders. The very nature of a free agent signing – especially when you’re a team that players aren’t willing to take pay-cuts to come play for – is that you got the player because you were willing to spend more than anyone else would. The winning big is thus over-paying compared to what every other team was willing to pay. The Jays tend to have to overpay even more because coming here has negative consequences that don’t apply to American teams – e.g., no exposure on ESPN. You factor that in with a 9 years contract with an average value of 24M a year, and you’re taking on a lot of risk and inflexibility. I like the path that AA has gone – building a top-flight farm system and trading for high-upsiders like Rasmus and Sergio Santos. In terms of locking in future A-listers, buying out arbitration years of players like Romero and Lawrie is one GREAT approach. Another approach is to engage in mid-season prospects for prostars trades to acquire players on non-awful contracts that still have a few years left on them. If we pursue these non big money approaches a little longer the Jays will continue to build up their winning potential and hype and both of these factors will make Toronto a more desirable team for big money free agents. When we’re just a player or two away from being imminent playoff threats, that’ll be the time to go after those big free agents if they’re the best way to push us over the top. They’ll come cheaper (compared to the market) then than now, too, because Toronto will be a more desirable team to be on.

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-951046 JaysJournal Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:14:54 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10492#comment-951046 @tmehl Thanks for the comment tmehl and I certainly hope the fans will bring the atmosphere you're looking for. That's what we try to do as bloggers, to get people gathered together in one place to get some excitement built around our teams. I won't lie, the tone at Jays Journal has been getting rosier and rosier over the last 2 years, but for good reason. When your team has one of the best and deepest farm systems around, there's a ton to be rosy about. When your team continues to lock up its stars to team friendly contracts, there's a lot to be rosy about. When your team keeps getting the upper hand in trades, there's a lot to be rosy about. And finally, when your team finally clears enough budget so that you know they have the space to add to the team if need be, there's a lot to be rosy about. Yeah, we may all be a little rosy here, but we love the Jays, we love their prospects, and we love the direction the team is heading in. After a decade of JP Ricciardi and his sour dough outlook, it's a refreshing place to be! Once the team starts winning as much as it should within the next 2 years, you'll see the atmosphere you speak of. If the early 90s are a sign of things to come, you'll be blown away by the baseball spirit that can envelop Toronto!!! @tmehl Thanks for the comment tmehl and I certainly hope the fans will bring the atmosphere you’re looking for. That’s what we try to do as bloggers, to get people gathered together in one place to get some excitement built around our teams. I won’t lie, the tone at Jays Journal has been getting rosier and rosier over the last 2 years, but for good reason. When your team has one of the best and deepest farm systems around, there’s a ton to be rosy about. When your team continues to lock up its stars to team friendly contracts, there’s a lot to be rosy about. When your team keeps getting the upper hand in trades, there’s a lot to be rosy about. And finally, when your team finally clears enough budget so that you know they have the space to add to the team if need be, there’s a lot to be rosy about.

Yeah, we may all be a little rosy here, but we love the Jays, we love their prospects, and we love the direction the team is heading in. After a decade of JP Ricciardi and his sour dough outlook, it’s a refreshing place to be! Once the team starts winning as much as it should within the next 2 years, you’ll see the atmosphere you speak of. If the early 90s are a sign of things to come, you’ll be blown away by the baseball spirit that can envelop Toronto!!!

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-5601 JaysJournal Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:14:54 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10492#comment-5601 @tmehl Thanks for the comment tmehl and I certainly hope the fans will bring the atmosphere you're looking for. That's what we try to do as bloggers, to get people gathered together in one place to get some excitement built around our teams. I won't lie, the tone at Jays Journal has been getting rosier and rosier over the last 2 years, but for good reason. When your team has one of the best and deepest farm systems around, there's a ton to be rosy about. When your team continues to lock up its stars to team friendly contracts, there's a lot to be rosy about. When your team keeps getting the upper hand in trades, there's a lot to be rosy about. And finally, when your team finally clears enough budget so that you know they have the space to add to the team if need be, there's a lot to be rosy about. Yeah, we may all be a little rosy here, but we love the Jays, we love their prospects, and we love the direction the team is heading in. After a decade of JP Ricciardi and his sour dough outlook, it's a refreshing place to be! Once the team starts winning as much as it should within the next 2 years, you'll see the atmosphere you speak of. If the early 90s are a sign of things to come, you'll be blown away by the baseball spirit that can envelop Toronto!!! @tmehl Thanks for the comment tmehl and I certainly hope the fans will bring the atmosphere you’re looking for. That’s what we try to do as bloggers, to get people gathered together in one place to get some excitement built around our teams. I won’t lie, the tone at Jays Journal has been getting rosier and rosier over the last 2 years, but for good reason. When your team has one of the best and deepest farm systems around, there’s a ton to be rosy about. When your team continues to lock up its stars to team friendly contracts, there’s a lot to be rosy about. When your team keeps getting the upper hand in trades, there’s a lot to be rosy about. And finally, when your team finally clears enough budget so that you know they have the space to add to the team if need be, there’s a lot to be rosy about.

Yeah, we may all be a little rosy here, but we love the Jays, we love their prospects, and we love the direction the team is heading in. After a decade of JP Ricciardi and his sour dough outlook, it’s a refreshing place to be! Once the team starts winning as much as it should within the next 2 years, you’ll see the atmosphere you speak of. If the early 90s are a sign of things to come, you’ll be blown away by the baseball spirit that can envelop Toronto!!!

]]> By: Budyzer13 http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-951043 Budyzer13 Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:45:22 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10492#comment-951043 I am excited to start this season and see what we have over a full shedule. In saying that I am not so naive to think that everyone is going to be lights out and we will win a wildcard. Inevitably some guys are going to fall on their faces and others will be called upon to show they are MLB ready. I hope the positives out weight the negatives and I think they will. If Cecil can't regain his lost velocity I would look for AA to deal him and give a prospect a shot. McGowan won't be able to pitch a full season as a starter so there's another chunk of innings to fill. I would imagine AA is trying to find a starter ( Rich Harden ) at a price Rogers can live with. Or we will have to live through a bunch of bad starts until Deck McGuire or Hutchison gets some AAA starts under their belt. Thames is a beast this year ! He had off season surgery to attach some serious guns to his shoulders and looks like a prototypical DH which would be nice so EE5 can ride the pine/platoon 1B and Snyder could play LF. We may very well have to suffer through another year if rasmus doesn't pick up his game, Lind is inconsistent again cause the prospects at those positions need more time I am excited to start this season and see what we have over a full shedule. In saying that I am not so naive to think that everyone is going to be lights out and we will win a wildcard. Inevitably some guys are going to fall on their faces and others will be called upon to show they are MLB ready. I hope the positives out weight the negatives and I think they will. If Cecil can’t regain his lost velocity I would look for AA to deal him and give a prospect a shot. McGowan won’t be able to pitch a full season as a starter so there’s another chunk of innings to fill. I would imagine AA is trying to find a starter ( Rich Harden ) at a price Rogers can live with. Or we will have to live through a bunch of bad starts until Deck McGuire or Hutchison gets some AAA starts under their belt. Thames is a beast this year ! He had off season surgery to attach some serious guns to his shoulders and looks like a prototypical DH which would be nice so EE5 can ride the pine/platoon 1B and Snyder could play LF. We may very well have to suffer through another year if rasmus doesn’t pick up his game, Lind is inconsistent again cause the prospects at those positions need more time

]]> By: Budyzer13 http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-5598 Budyzer13 Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:45:22 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10492#comment-5598 I am excited to start this season and see what we have over a full shedule. In saying that I am not so naive to think that everyone is going to be lights out and we will win a wildcard. Inevitably some guys are going to fall on their faces and others will be called upon to show they are MLB ready. I hope the positives out weight the negatives and I think they will. If Cecil can't regain his lost velocity I would look for AA to deal him and give a prospect a shot. McGowan won't be able to pitch a full season as a starter so there's another chunk of innings to fill. I would imagine AA is trying to find a starter ( Rich Harden ) at a price Rogers can live with. Or we will have to live through a bunch of bad starts until Deck McGuire or Hutchison gets some AAA starts under their belt. Thames is a beast this year ! He had off season surgery to attach some serious guns to his shoulders and looks like a prototypical DH which would be nice so EE5 can ride the pine/platoon 1B and Snyder could play LF. We may very well have to suffer through another year if rasmus doesn't pick up his game, Lind is inconsistent again cause the prospects at those positions need more time I am excited to start this season and see what we have over a full shedule. In saying that I am not so naive to think that everyone is going to be lights out and we will win a wildcard. Inevitably some guys are going to fall on their faces and others will be called upon to show they are MLB ready. I hope the positives out weight the negatives and I think they will. If Cecil can’t regain his lost velocity I would look for AA to deal him and give a prospect a shot. McGowan won’t be able to pitch a full season as a starter so there’s another chunk of innings to fill. I would imagine AA is trying to find a starter ( Rich Harden ) at a price Rogers can live with. Or we will have to live through a bunch of bad starts until Deck McGuire or Hutchison gets some AAA starts under their belt. Thames is a beast this year ! He had off season surgery to attach some serious guns to his shoulders and looks like a prototypical DH which would be nice so EE5 can ride the pine/platoon 1B and Snyder could play LF. We may very well have to suffer through another year if rasmus doesn’t pick up his game, Lind is inconsistent again cause the prospects at those positions need more time

]]> By: jakely http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-951042 jakely Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:18:07 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10492#comment-951042 Mylegacy is dead on right. Go back and look at how rebuilds get done well. It's all there. AA has to have studied how these get done properly, and with the amount of talent he's collected in 2 short years, he's one upping it. Way too many fans are not recognizing an architect at work here, but it's what we now have. Getting good is the low end of the expectation spectrum. Mylegacy is dead on right. Go back and look at how rebuilds get done well. It’s all there. AA has to have studied how these get done properly, and with the amount of talent he’s collected in 2 short years, he’s one upping it. Way too many fans are not recognizing an architect at work here, but it’s what we now have. Getting good is the low end of the expectation spectrum.

]]> By: TodLazarov http://jaysjournal.com/2012/01/28/toronto-blue-jays-fan-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-951041 TodLazarov Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:16:34 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10492#comment-951041 http://i.imgur.com/Vavex.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Vavex.jpg

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