Comments on: Trading for Matt Garza Doesn’t Make Sense for the Blue Jays http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/ A Toronto Blue Jays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:12:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: THE_FAKE_BOSH http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/comment-page-1/#comment-950916 THE_FAKE_BOSH Sun, 01 Jan 2012 04:11:20 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10369#comment-950916 Thank god for SOMEONE realising that it's incredibly stupid to have this guy for top prospects. Thank god for SOMEONE realising that it’s incredibly stupid to have this guy for top prospects.

]]> By: THE_FAKE_BOSH http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/comment-page-1/#comment-5419 THE_FAKE_BOSH Sun, 01 Jan 2012 03:11:20 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10369#comment-5419 Thank god for SOMEONE realising that it's incredibly stupid to have this guy for top prospects. Thank god for SOMEONE realising that it’s incredibly stupid to have this guy for top prospects.

]]> By: gnor http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/comment-page-1/#comment-950914 gnor Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:06:09 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10369#comment-950914 A very good take, Jared, and yes, patience is the key. There are 2 ways to get your veggies. You can go down to the market and pay the asking price, or you can grow your own. If you grow your own, it takes time, patience and a bit of work, but the end result is cheaper, and better for you. A very good take, Jared, and yes, patience is the key.

There are 2 ways to get your veggies. You can go down to the market and pay the asking price, or you can grow your own. If you grow your own, it takes time, patience and a bit of work, but the end result is cheaper, and better for you.

]]> By: gnor http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/comment-page-1/#comment-5417 gnor Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:06:09 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10369#comment-5417 A very good take, Jared, and yes, patience is the key. There are 2 ways to get your veggies. You can go down to the market and pay the asking price, or you can grow your own. If you grow your own, it takes time, patience and a bit of work, but the end result is cheaper, and better for you. A very good take, Jared, and yes, patience is the key.

There are 2 ways to get your veggies. You can go down to the market and pay the asking price, or you can grow your own. If you grow your own, it takes time, patience and a bit of work, but the end result is cheaper, and better for you.

]]> By: jakely http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/comment-page-1/#comment-950910 jakely Sat, 31 Dec 2011 01:16:07 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10369#comment-950910 I personally have no problem being patient waiting for this to come together. 15 years of lost in the wilderness was soul sucking. This is set up very nicely and as long as they dont screw it up pulling some premature Ricciardi type move, we're going to get there. No way they should part with a big package and not get better than Garza back. I shudder to think of Fielder at 10, 250. Sumo and long term should never go together in any sport. Except maybe sumo. Know how many quarter pounders you can get for a quarter bill? Me neither, but it's lots. It's a certainty we would regret that soon enough. Patience isn't so hard to deal with when it is so obviously required. Prospects are obviously no sure thing, but how will we not be pitching rich soon enough with so many arms coming. I dont see Romero, Alvarez or Morrow going anywhere. They are nowhere near old. 2 spots to fill and a rotation or more worth of arms coming. Good odds that fills the rotation and pen. Let it the kids grow a bit , let's see some more debuts, make serious moves when we know how things play out in house a bit more. I personally have no problem being patient waiting for this to come together. 15 years of lost in the wilderness was soul sucking. This is set up very nicely and as long as they dont screw it up pulling some premature Ricciardi type move, we’re going to get there. No way they should part with a big package and not get better than Garza back. I shudder to think of Fielder at 10, 250. Sumo and long term should never go together in any sport. Except maybe sumo. Know how many quarter pounders you can get for a quarter bill? Me neither, but it’s lots. It’s a certainty we would regret that soon enough. Patience isn’t so hard to deal with when it is so obviously required. Prospects are obviously no sure thing, but how will we not be pitching rich soon enough with so many arms coming. I dont see Romero, Alvarez or Morrow going anywhere. They are nowhere near old. 2 spots to fill and a rotation or more worth of arms coming. Good odds that fills the rotation and pen. Let it the kids grow a bit , let’s see some more debuts, make serious moves when we know how things play out in house a bit more.

]]> By: fran_kle http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/comment-page-1/#comment-950909 fran_kle Sat, 31 Dec 2011 01:04:36 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10369#comment-950909 As a Cubs fan, it's going to be tough to let this guy go for a bunch of unproven prospects. Also, as a Cubs fan, I would strongly urge you to stop thinking about 2015. The AL East is really winable. Red Sox are coming off a sub-par year, turmoil, and added probably one of the cookiest managers ever to suit up. The Yanks are good, but how good can their pitching be this year. The Rays will be solid. The O's, well, there's a cellar for them. The rest of the AL is okay - couple of contenders in the West and perhaps a couple in the Central. Point being, the Wild Card is in reach. Having a solid 3-4-5, whatever, pitcher is pretty clutch. Garza would be an awesome fit to put the Jays into that 90-95 win area - right in the thick of the wild card. Sure, maybe the price is too steep, but relying on unproven kids to pull the yoke of future championships has been what Cubs' management has been doing to us for decades [read: Hee Seop Choi] Cheers. As a Cubs fan, it’s going to be tough to let this guy go for a bunch of unproven prospects. Also, as a Cubs fan, I would strongly urge you to stop thinking about 2015. The AL East is really winable. Red Sox are coming off a sub-par year, turmoil, and added probably one of the cookiest managers ever to suit up. The Yanks are good, but how good can their pitching be this year. The Rays will be solid. The O’s, well, there’s a cellar for them. The rest of the AL is okay – couple of contenders in the West and perhaps a couple in the Central. Point being, the Wild Card is in reach. Having a solid 3-4-5, whatever, pitcher is pretty clutch. Garza would be an awesome fit to put the Jays into that 90-95 win area – right in the thick of the wild card. Sure, maybe the price is too steep, but relying on unproven kids to pull the yoke of future championships has been what Cubs’ management has been doing to us for decades [read: Hee Seop Choi]

Cheers.

]]> By: jakely http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/comment-page-1/#comment-5410 jakely Sat, 31 Dec 2011 00:16:07 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10369#comment-5410 I personally have no problem being patient waiting for this to come together. 15 years of lost in the wilderness was soul sucking. This is set up very nicely and as long as they dont screw it up pulling some premature Ricciardi type move, we're going to get there. No way they should part with a big package and not get better than Garza back. I shudder to think of Fielder at 10, 250. Sumo and long term should never go together in any sport. Except maybe sumo. Know how many quarter pounders you can get for a quarter bill? Me neither, but it's lots. It's a certainty we would regret that soon enough. Patience isn't so hard to deal with when it is so obviously required. Prospects are obviously no sure thing, but how will we not be pitching rich soon enough with so many arms coming. I dont see Romero, Alvarez or Morrow going anywhere. They are nowhere near old. 2 spots to fill and a rotation or more worth of arms coming. Good odds that fills the rotation and pen. Let it the kids grow a bit , let's see some more debuts, make serious moves when we know how things play out in house a bit more. I personally have no problem being patient waiting for this to come together. 15 years of lost in the wilderness was soul sucking. This is set up very nicely and as long as they dont screw it up pulling some premature Ricciardi type move, we’re going to get there. No way they should part with a big package and not get better than Garza back. I shudder to think of Fielder at 10, 250. Sumo and long term should never go together in any sport. Except maybe sumo. Know how many quarter pounders you can get for a quarter bill? Me neither, but it’s lots. It’s a certainty we would regret that soon enough. Patience isn’t so hard to deal with when it is so obviously required. Prospects are obviously no sure thing, but how will we not be pitching rich soon enough with so many arms coming. I dont see Romero, Alvarez or Morrow going anywhere. They are nowhere near old. 2 spots to fill and a rotation or more worth of arms coming. Good odds that fills the rotation and pen. Let it the kids grow a bit , let’s see some more debuts, make serious moves when we know how things play out in house a bit more.

]]> By: fran_kle http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/comment-page-1/#comment-5409 fran_kle Sat, 31 Dec 2011 00:04:36 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10369#comment-5409 As a Cubs fan, it's going to be tough to let this guy go for a bunch of unproven prospects. Also, as a Cubs fan, I would strongly urge you to stop thinking about 2015. The AL East is really winable. Red Sox are coming off a sub-par year, turmoil, and added probably one of the cookiest managers ever to suit up. The Yanks are good, but how good can their pitching be this year. The Rays will be solid. The O's, well, there's a cellar for them. The rest of the AL is okay - couple of contenders in the West and perhaps a couple in the Central. Point being, the Wild Card is in reach. Having a solid 3-4-5, whatever, pitcher is pretty clutch. Garza would be an awesome fit to put the Jays into that 90-95 win area - right in the thick of the wild card. Sure, maybe the price is too steep, but relying on unproven kids to pull the yoke of future championships has been what Cubs' management has been doing to us for decades [read: Hee Seop Choi] Cheers. As a Cubs fan, it’s going to be tough to let this guy go for a bunch of unproven prospects. Also, as a Cubs fan, I would strongly urge you to stop thinking about 2015. The AL East is really winable. Red Sox are coming off a sub-par year, turmoil, and added probably one of the cookiest managers ever to suit up. The Yanks are good, but how good can their pitching be this year. The Rays will be solid. The O’s, well, there’s a cellar for them. The rest of the AL is okay – couple of contenders in the West and perhaps a couple in the Central. Point being, the Wild Card is in reach. Having a solid 3-4-5, whatever, pitcher is pretty clutch. Garza would be an awesome fit to put the Jays into that 90-95 win area – right in the thick of the wild card. Sure, maybe the price is too steep, but relying on unproven kids to pull the yoke of future championships has been what Cubs’ management has been doing to us for decades [read: Hee Seop Choi]

Cheers.

]]> By: TFSML http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/comment-page-1/#comment-950905 TFSML Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:48:48 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10369#comment-950905 Thank you for talking me off of the ledge with this article. Thank you for talking me off of the ledge with this article.

]]> By: Jared_Macdonald http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/30/trading-for-matt-garza-doesnt-make-sense-for-the-blue-jays/comment-page-1/#comment-950904 Jared_Macdonald Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:30:38 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=10369#comment-950904 @Beestons Lovechild@jays4life I agree with you that the Jays' prospects would be better used in a package for a bona fide top-of-the-rotation starter. Until/if that opportunity comes along, though, then the Jays can afford to hold on to their prospects as their values build. As for trading Bautista, it's an interesting thought for sure. On one hand, you could move him for an impressive package of players and prospects that would fit right into Anthopoulos' young and controllable mantra. On the other hand, though, Bautista means a lot more to the Jays than any other team and he's a feel-good story that increases awareness for the Jays south of the border. Plus the Jays' track record of keeping players for the entire duration of their long(ish)-term contracts isn't the best, so it's likely essential that the Jays hold onto him for all five years of his deal. I'm sure there's not a lot of people that have a problem with that! @Beestons Lovechild@jays4life I agree with you that the Jays’ prospects would be better used in a package for a bona fide top-of-the-rotation starter. Until/if that opportunity comes along, though, then the Jays can afford to hold on to their prospects as their values build.

As for trading Bautista, it’s an interesting thought for sure. On one hand, you could move him for an impressive package of players and prospects that would fit right into Anthopoulos’ young and controllable mantra. On the other hand, though, Bautista means a lot more to the Jays than any other team and he’s a feel-good story that increases awareness for the Jays south of the border. Plus the Jays’ track record of keeping players for the entire duration of their long(ish)-term contracts isn’t the best, so it’s likely essential that the Jays hold onto him for all five years of his deal. I’m sure there’s not a lot of people that have a problem with that!

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