Darvish Goes To Texas, is Cespedes the Next Jays Target?

If you were lucky enough to witness the craziness that was last night on Twitter, you got a glimpse of just how excited Jays fans can become when the Jays make, or are rumored to be making, big moves. No, Yu Darvish was not meant to become a Toronto Blue Jays pitcher, so the question becomes this: what now?

There had been reports which pointed to the Jays also being in on Matt Latos, right to the end, which tells us just how involved the Jays have been as they try to improve their pitching. Both of these pitchers, Darvish and Latos, fit the Alex Anthopoulos mold in that they are top flight starters. If he’s going to add a pitcher, it’s going to be one that he believes can step in as a difference maker.

With that in mind, I’ve come up with a few targets that the Jays may covet now that they’re back to square one.

Matt Garza (CHC) 6’4″ 215 lbs

He’s unlikely to ever be considered an ace, but Matt Garza does have the stuff to pitch well in the AL East and had a good track record while with the Rays for 3 seasons. He’s as close to a guaranteed 200 innings or so with a sub 4 ERA that the Jays could find on the trade market right now. The Cubs will want a lot for Garza since it would leave their rotation in total disarray, which may make that price steeper than teams are willing to pay.

Another problem with obtaining Garza is that he’s only under control through 2013, at which time he becomes a FA. If the Jays do make a move for a starter or two, it’s unlikely that they’d target one with so little time left on his contract. Latos had 4 years left on his deal, and Darvish will likely sign a 5 to 7 year deal. I’d expect those kinds of control time to continue to be targets for AA. This tells me that unless he’s willing to meet the demands of the Cubs and to sign Garza to an extension – a very unlikely scenario from Garza’s point of view since he’ll want to see what he can get in FA – Garza will not be a Jays pitcher any time soon. There is a chance that AA would be content with the picks that could be coming Toronto’s way if Garza walks, but they’re a big gamble with the revamped compensation system in place.

Matt Cain (SFG) 6’4″ 230 lbs

Unlike Garza, Cain has never been tested in the American League East, but he does hold a very distinguished record of performance. He’s in the last year of his contract, and his team mate, Tim Lincecum, becomes a free agent the year after. So, it seems to me that the Giants are going to have to make some very important decisions very soon. Do they want to deal Cain to help their chances of retaining Lincecum, do they decide instead that they can’t afford Lincecum long-term and deal “The Freak” for a boat load of talent, or do they make a statement by keeping both around for the foreseeable future? The latter is possible when you consider that they dealt one of their top pitching prospects, Zach Wheeler, to the Mets for a questionable return last season.

The Jays seem to have been tied to Cain for a very long time. I can’t remember who first linked them to him, but today, he would make a perfect addition to the Jays staff. He’s a workhorse who just turned 27 years old, has playoff experience, has started over 30 games for the last 6 seasons and has really brought his performance to a new level over the last 2 seasons (3.14 and 2.88 ERA with 1.084 and 1.083 whip respectively). How much of a jump would those stats take with a switch from the NL West to the AL East? Nobody really knows, but I can tell you that chances are the Jays would have a great opportunity to win every time he took the mound, and that he’d be more than willing to lead the staff alongside Ricky Romero.

As with Garza, the question becomes whether or not the Jays could get him under contract if they dealt for him. The Jays are not in win now mode, so dealing away 3-4-5 players for Cain just doesn’t make sense right now. There is a chance that Anthopoulos could ask the Giants for a period of time to work out a new contract with Cain – as they allowed to be done when dealing Roy Halladay – but if you’re Matt Cain, why take away the opportunities for a bidding war on the open market? Security would be the one reason, I imagine. When you’ve thrown over 200 innings for 6 seasons, you know that security could be comforting.

For those of you who imagine the Jays would be more interested in their young LHP Madison Bumgarner, you’re probably right. But, if the Giants are going to afford Lincecum moving forward, they’ll need the affordable Bumgarner to be there with him.

Gio Gonzalez (OAK) 6’0″ 205 lbs

The Jays last made a trade with Oakland when they sent the newly acquired Michael Taylor to Oakland in return for Brett Wallace. The latter was sent to Houston for Anthony Gose. While I still believe the Jays got the best of both of those deals, it seems that the Jays didn’t “fleece” the A’s to the point of not having open dialogue with them for future trades. Gio’s name seems to be everywhere right now. The Yankees, Red Sox, Nationals, and Marlins have all been linked to him at one time or another, and the price for his services does not seem to be coming down at all.

To me, Gio is a #2-3 starter that the Jays need to be careful about. Dealing too much talent for his services could prove to be a long-term blow to the organizational strength AA has built up over the past seasons. Still, he is battle tested in the American League, is only 26 years old, and could definitely help bolster a rotation that needs it. To me, Gio makes more sense than the 2 others listed above for a few reasons. He knows the AL well, he is slightly younger, and he’s under control through 2015. Also, by acquiring him the Jays would also ensure the pitching weary Yankees wouldn’t be acquiring him. Gio is arbitration eligible for the first time this off season, so he’ll be more than affordable salary wise for the next few seasons at least.

If the A’s lower their asking price, I expect the Jays to be big players for his services and wouldn’t be surprised to see a reliever come along with him.

Some of the others which could be targeted by the Jays include:

  • John Danks CHW (FA in 2013)
  • Gavin Floyd CHW
  • Jair Jurrjens ATL
  • Jon Niese NYM
  • Wandy Rodriguez HOU
  • Brett Myers HOU
  • James Shields TB (FA in 2013)

Of those listed above, I can only truly see Danks and Shields as being attractive targets, and it seems highly unlikely that the Jays could land Shields due to his being on a division rival’s roster. Jurrjens, a very talented pitcher, makes some sense here, but he is definitely not a workhorse and has too many health issues to be considered a big target for the Jays. Therefore, Danks could be the one target brought to Toronto from that group, while I view the rest as simply being too low of an upgrade for the Jays to consider them as true trade targets.

HOWEVER, there is one more issue we have yet to consider. The Jays have said all along that they’d rather use the trade route to upgrade pitching. There is one player soon to be available on the FA market that could make them stray from that some in order to provide them with the ammunition needed to pull off a major pitching addition. I’m speaking of Yoenis Cespedes, who is highly sought after by anyone and everyone who has the money to get him.

Unlike the Yu Darvish acquisition, there is no posting fee for the services of Cespedes. Now that the Jays “saved” themselves some money, they can definitely afford to make a splash – while also blocking their rivals from acquiring him – and obtain the rights to what could be the best Cuban import to come around for a very long time. They have a couple of Cubans in their organization to make a pitch with, Yunel Escobar and Adeiny Hechavarria, and could therefore have an edge over others if the money is similar.

The Jays would have to beat out the likes of the Nationals and Marlins as well, who now seem to be consistently spending like big market teams as well. But, if we assume that the Jays bid for Darvish was in the 40-50 million range, and that a 60-75 million contract would have followed a winning bid, we can safely assume that the money is available if the Jays evaluate his talents as being worthy of the investment.

Alright, let’s assume for one moment that they do sign Yoenis Cespedes. What does it mean to the Jays?

Well, if what we read is true, he could walk right in and be the opening day center fielder for the team that acquires him. This would make outfielders such as Colby Rasmus, Travis Snider, and Eric Thames available on the trade market. Rasmus seems to be the most likely target of any team dealing pitching at this point, and a package centered around him could definitely land the Jays pitchers such as Matt Garza, Matt Cain, or Gio Gonzalez. Cain and Gonzalez in particular seem to be perfect fits for such a trade since both are trying to add some offensive ability to their squads.

In making such acquisitions, the Jays would not only be bolstering their rotation, but would also be preventing the Red Sox and Yankees from making the acquisitions on both counts: in the case of Cespedes and in the case of either Gonzalez or Cain.

There seems to be some advantage to signing a player such as Cespedes, but as always when signing an international free agent, it comes with a huge risk. Has this stopped the Jays in the past under AA? Not at all. If anything, under his watch, we’ve seen nothing but his being at the forefront of adding any and all possible international talent and making the best effort to bring them to Toronto in all cases. I fully expect the Jays to be part of the front runners for his services, as they were for Aroldis Chapman, Adeiny Hechavarria and Leonys Martin. Whether or not they land him is another issue, but at least we can rest assured that the Jays are on a serious hunt for talent and are really striving to bring the playoffs to Toronto.

Is there someone you wish the Jays would target that isn’t on the list above?
I’m not going to make any predictions here but will say this: I would not be surprise at all if the Jays land a San Francisco Giants pitcher should they sign Cespedes to a contract in the near future. Now that the race for Darvish has come to an end, we get to enjoy race #2, the race for the last Cuban sensation, CF Yoenis Cespedes. As it develops, remember that the more the process goes without hearing about links to the Jays, the more likely it is that the Jays could land him as they silent assassin does his best work that way!

-MG

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  • SD7

    To be perfectly honest..I was REALLY hoping the Jays could have landed Darvish. But you never know, in two years we could be trading for him! Anyway, with the current stable of arms we have in the farm, I’m not really worried about it. I think AA is going to pull off a deal for a #2 or3 pitcher in the near future ( I think Cain would fit nicely, good call ) . If we can get some consistancy in the pen, I honestly think we could push NY and BOS in the East. I think our lineup is comparable to any in baseball. If Snider can put it together next season it could be a great offence. With Gose and Marisnick coming up through the ranks, our outfield is looking pretty good for the forseeable future.

  • SD7

    With “The Franchise” at third, Hech likely going to see some time at short prob late next year, Escobar ( his experience in ATL, really helps him in TOR as a table-setter. Great at hitting the ball the other way, perfect hit and run guy….just imagine for one second Gose leading off with Escobar hitting #2…scary…almost forgot, Jose up next! ) . Loaded at catcher, Arencibia and D’Arnaud. ( NOTE: Personally think a great move would be to trade Lind…and move Arencibia to 1st..just a thought ).

    And you heard it here first……Next season Romero will win his first Cy Young, going 22-8, 2.46 ERA, 220+ IP, 200 K’s! Could just be the nastiest lefty in baseball.

    Anyway, really enjoy the site guys and keep up the great work. ( Can’t wait for the next prospect list! )

  • SD7

    To be perfectly honest..I was REALLY hoping the Jays could have landed Darvish. But you never know, in two years we could be trading for him! Anyway, with the current stable of arms we have in the farm, I’m not really worried about it. I think AA is going to pull off a deal for a #2 or3 pitcher in the near future ( I think Cain would fit nicely, good call ) . If we can get some consistancy in the pen, I honestly think we could push NY and BOS in the East. I think our lineup is comparable to any in baseball. If Snider can put it together next season it could be a great offence. With Gose and Marisnick coming up through the ranks, our outfield is looking pretty good for the forseeable future.

  • SD7

    With “The Franchise” at third, Hech likely going to see some time at short prob late next year, Escobar ( his experience in ATL, really helps him in TOR as a table-setter. Great at hitting the ball the other way, perfect hit and run guy….just imagine for one second Gose leading off with Escobar hitting #2…scary…almost forgot, Jose up next! ) . Loaded at catcher, Arencibia and D’Arnaud. ( NOTE: Personally think a great move would be to trade Lind…and move Arencibia to 1st..just a thought ).

    And you heard it here first……Next season Romero will win his first Cy Young, going 22-8, 2.46 ERA, 220+ IP, 200 K’s! Could just be the nastiest lefty in baseball.

    Anyway, really enjoy the site guys and keep up the great work. ( Can’t wait for the next prospect list! )

  • Eagles11

    Well, now that Darvish is gone, the Jays can move to plan B whoever that maybe.It seems by reports Latos was plan B but that didn’t happen. AA probably has a number of deals going on, and all he has to do is say “okay, lets get this deal done”. AA has the ability to do any move he feels will make the club better, as evidence by the bid on Darvish, and staying in on Latos until the end. It all revolves around AA feeling that Player X is worth a package of Prospects A,B,C, if he does he will make the move. He doesn’t make moves just for the sake of making them, a lesson he learned very well under JP. As fans we knew that the Wells and Rios signings were bad, that is why they didn’t create the fan buzz that Darvish did, cause we as fans know that Darvish’s value is/was alot stronger then Wells and Rios. If anyone ever thought that the Wells or Rios signings were smart and a great long term investment would need a head shake. Wells, a weak armed, erractic hitting CF, and Rios a sleep walking, mental breakdown RF. Arn’t we glad as Jays fans, Rios is gone so Bautista was able to flourish in RF. Think about that one, if Rios was still in Right, would Bautista have grown into the superstar he is now?

  • Eagles11

    With the offseason still in the early stages the Jays have an opportunity to really improve the ball club and if they can’t pull off the moves that AA feels are cost effective, they will have a payroll of either 90-100 million, or something closer to what they had this year, 70 million. If I was a betting man, I would put the Jays closer to the 2012 payroll.

  • Eagles11

    Well, now that Darvish is gone, the Jays can move to plan B whoever that maybe.It seems by reports Latos was plan B but that didn’t happen. AA probably has a number of deals going on, and all he has to do is say “okay, lets get this deal done”. AA has the ability to do any move he feels will make the club better, as evidence by the bid on Darvish, and staying in on Latos until the end. It all revolves around AA feeling that Player X is worth a package of Prospects A,B,C, if he does he will make the move. He doesn’t make moves just for the sake of making them, a lesson he learned very well under JP. As fans we knew that the Wells and Rios signings were bad, that is why they didn’t create the fan buzz that Darvish did, cause we as fans know that Darvish’s value is/was alot stronger then Wells and Rios. If anyone ever thought that the Wells or Rios signings were smart and a great long term investment would need a head shake. Wells, a weak armed, erractic hitting CF, and Rios a sleep walking, mental breakdown RF. Arn’t we glad as Jays fans, Rios is gone so Bautista was able to flourish in RF. Think about that one, if Rios was still in Right, would Bautista have grown into the superstar he is now?

  • Eagles11

    With the offseason still in the early stages the Jays have an opportunity to really improve the ball club and if they can’t pull off the moves that AA feels are cost effective, they will have a payroll of either 90-100 million, or something closer to what they had this year, 70 million. If I was a betting man, I would put the Jays closer to the 2012 payroll.

  • talesen

    What about Roy Oswalt? His total contract is going to be well well below Yu’s posting fee. I think he’s less of a gamble (health and age considered).

    Also, I believe a number of deals were done with the A’s – I believe this being the most recent:

    4 Nov 2011 – The Oakland A’s traded right-handed pitcher Trystan Magnuson to the Toronto Blue Jays for cash considerations, the club announced today.

    Also, what about Rajai Davis? I think this was more recent too

    17 Nov 2010 – The Jays have traded for Rajai Davis from the Oakland A’s.

    18 Apr 2011 – The Blue Jays sent lefty reliever David Purcey to Oakland Monday in exchange for former Jay farmhand Danny Farquhar.

  • talesen

    What about Roy Oswalt? His total contract is going to be well well below Yu’s posting fee. I think he’s less of a gamble (health and age considered).

    Also, I believe a number of deals were done with the A’s – I believe this being the most recent:

    4 Nov 2011 – The Oakland A’s traded right-handed pitcher Trystan Magnuson to the Toronto Blue Jays for cash considerations, the club announced today.

    Also, what about Rajai Davis? I think this was more recent too

    17 Nov 2010 – The Jays have traded for Rajai Davis from the Oakland A’s.

    18 Apr 2011 – The Blue Jays sent lefty reliever David Purcey to Oakland Monday in exchange for former Jay farmhand Danny Farquhar.

  • DougFlaherty

    @SD7

    Please don’t call Lawrie “The Franchise” anymore..really bad karma. Snider had that moniker all through the minors.

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    To be honest, I am kinda of disappointed that we didn’t win the exclusive negotiating rights for Darvish but to be honest to hell screw him, that’s 50- 75 million dollars against the payroll spent much better improving the team. As for Cespedes, I would have a hard time calling that a pipe dream anymore. I believe that should the Blue-Jays sign him (hopefully without all the useless media speculation) the Jays would then realistically be able to make a nice little package for a great/ace pitcher not named Gio Gonzalez. That guy plays in a stadium bigger than Comerica and Petro Park combined (hyperbole). His road splits are unspectacular to say the least, his ERA is well above 4 on the road and his lifetime ERA against the AL EAST is filthy at an ERA approaching nearly 7.5 runs per game. If I’m AA, I go after Matt Cain because the man is consistent. Thought he very well may play in AT&T Park, his road splits are pretty consistent and + he plays very good hitting teams in the NL too 10 times a year like the Phillies, Nationals, Cardinals, Brewers and now the Marlins, oh don’t forget Joey Votto’s Reds and Matt Kemp’s .. well only himself, but you get the point. All, I’m trying to say is that not signing Darvish is a blessing in disguise, he might result in us getting a prince fielder or a Yoennis Cespedes who would open up even more idea’s for us.

    My perfect Trade

    Giants Get

    - Ben Francisco

    - Colby Rasmus

    - Deck Mcguire/ Drew Hutchinson

    - Thames/Snider

    cash considerations or players to be named later

    Jays Get

    Matt Cain

    and possible low ceiling prospect

    Jays sign Matt Cain to extension, win 95 games next year, don’t make ALCS but have left everyone in the AL (including Yankees, Rangers, Angels and Red Sox) pissing their pants.

    LETS GO JAYS AND AMAZING ARTICLE. WRITTEN BY YOU.

  • DougFlaherty

    @SD7

    Please don’t call Lawrie “The Franchise” anymore..really bad karma. Snider had that moniker all through the minors.

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    To be honest, I am kinda of disappointed that we didn’t win the exclusive negotiating rights for Darvish but to be honest to hell screw him, that’s 50- 75 million dollars against the payroll spent much better improving the team. As for Cespedes, I would have a hard time calling that a pipe dream anymore. I believe that should the Blue-Jays sign him (hopefully without all the useless media speculation) the Jays would then realistically be able to make a nice little package for a great/ace pitcher not named Gio Gonzalez. That guy plays in a stadium bigger than Comerica and Petro Park combined (hyperbole). His road splits are unspectacular to say the least, his ERA is well above 4 on the road and his lifetime ERA against the AL EAST is filthy at an ERA approaching nearly 7.5 runs per game. If I’m AA, I go after Matt Cain because the man is consistent. Thought he very well may play in AT&T Park, his road splits are pretty consistent and + he plays very good hitting teams in the NL too 10 times a year like the Phillies, Nationals, Cardinals, Brewers and now the Marlins, oh don’t forget Joey Votto’s Reds and Matt Kemp’s .. well only himself, but you get the point. All, I’m trying to say is that not signing Darvish is a blessing in disguise, he might result in us getting a prince fielder or a Yoennis Cespedes who would open up even more idea’s for us.

    My perfect Trade

    Giants Get

    - Ben Francisco

    - Colby Rasmus

    - Deck Mcguire/ Drew Hutchinson

    - Thames/Snider

    cash considerations or players to be named later

    Jays Get

    Matt Cain

    and possible low ceiling prospect

    Jays sign Matt Cain to extension, win 95 games next year, don’t make ALCS but have left everyone in the AL (including Yankees, Rangers, Angels and Red Sox) pissing their pants.

    LETS GO JAYS AND AMAZING ARTICLE. WRITTEN BY YOU.

  • gnor

    One guy nobody mentions is Hiroki Kuroda. At age 36, he is coming off the best season of his career, with 202 IP, and a 3.09 ERA. By signing Free Agents, you don’t have to give up prospects either, the only sticking point being the length of contract demanded by the players.

    If an Edwin Jackson or a Roy Oswalt would sign for 3 years, it would be a great bridge to some of the top prospects we have coming up the pipes.

  • gnor

    The Jays have payroll commitments right now of 37.9 million, before they sign their arb eligible players. If we give all the arb eligible players all a 10% raise and sign them, the total payroll for 2012 would be in the neighborhood of $57-60 million.

    Let’s not jump the gun and assume The Jays can run out and add $60 million per year in payroll right this year. This is a very young team, and the payroll will grow by itself as they age. One of the things Beeston has mentioned in the past as well, is that they would like to keep their core players in place well into their careers, so the future $120-140 million payroll would have to take this into account. All of a sudden, there isn’t as much money as there seems to be.

    @Eagles11

  • gnor

    And VDub @DougFlaherty @SD7

  • gnor

    In spite of all the backlash over Darvish, and the whining and howling after Fat Boy, I am convinced that this team will surprise a lot of people this year just the way it stands now.

    Of course, AA will continue to add improvements, but whatever he does, be assured that we will never see it coming!

    @SD7

  • gnor

    One guy nobody mentions is Hiroki Kuroda. At age 36, he is coming off the best season of his career, with 202 IP, and a 3.09 ERA. By signing Free Agents, you don’t have to give up prospects either, the only sticking point being the length of contract demanded by the players.

    If an Edwin Jackson or a Roy Oswalt would sign for 3 years, it would be a great bridge to some of the top prospects we have coming up the pipes.

  • gnor

    The Jays have payroll commitments right now of 37.9 million, before they sign their arb eligible players. If we give all the arb eligible players all a 10% raise and sign them, the total payroll for 2012 would be in the neighborhood of $57-60 million.

    Let’s not jump the gun and assume The Jays can run out and add $60 million per year in payroll right this year. This is a very young team, and the payroll will grow by itself as they age. One of the things Beeston has mentioned in the past as well, is that they would like to keep their core players in place well into their careers, so the future $120-140 million payroll would have to take this into account. All of a sudden, there isn’t as much money as there seems to be.

    @Eagles11

  • gnor

    I’m not convinced The Blue Jays have to break open the piggy bank this year in order to improve. The addition of one or two high priced helpers will not cut down errors (tied 10th), improve staff ERA (24th), cut down the runs against (6th), or hitting with RISP (24th) in an appreciable amount. This is a young team, and these things will improve with experience and good coaching. The Jays are set up to provide both.

    The Farm system is also not ready. The majority of top prospects are playing in AA and below, leaving The Jays still short of depth in case of injury. Another year will see a lot of these players finally ready for the big leagues, and their trade value will increase accordingly.

    Father time will fix a lot of ills.

  • gnor

    And VDub @DougFlaherty @SD7

  • gnor

    In spite of all the backlash over Darvish, and the whining and howling after Fat Boy, I am convinced that this team will surprise a lot of people this year just the way it stands now.

    Of course, AA will continue to add improvements, but whatever he does, be assured that we will never see it coming!

    @SD7

  • gnor

    I’m not convinced The Blue Jays have to break open the piggy bank this year in order to improve. The addition of one or two high priced helpers will not cut down errors (tied 10th), improve staff ERA (24th), cut down the runs against (6th), or hitting with RISP (24th) in an appreciable amount. This is a young team, and these things will improve with experience and good coaching. The Jays are set up to provide both.

    The Farm system is also not ready. The majority of top prospects are playing in AA and below, leaving The Jays still short of depth in case of injury. Another year will see a lot of these players finally ready for the big leagues, and their trade value will increase accordingly.

    Father time will fix a lot of ills.

  • Eagles11

    never jumped the gun…they will be in around the 70 million mark. If you read what I wrote, i never jumped the gun.

  • TodLazarov

    @THE_FAKE_BOSH

    Thats the most retarded trade ever! For a year of matt cain the giants get a starting CF with a lot of upside, and front end of the rotation starter prospect thats very close to the show and a starting LF with a lot of upside as well. Man I think the Giants are getting fleeced here.

  • Eagles11

    never jumped the gun…they will be in around the 70 million mark. If you read what I wrote, i never jumped the gun.

  • TodLazarov

    @THE_FAKE_BOSH

    Thats the most retarded trade ever! For a year of matt cain the giants get a starting CF with a lot of upside, and front end of the rotation starter prospect thats very close to the show and a starting LF with a lot of upside as well. Man I think the Giants are getting fleeced here.

  • gnor

    Those designer drugs are wonderful! Give up half our team for one year of one pitcher. dream on! @TodLazarov @THE_FAKE_BOSH

  • gnor

    Those designer drugs are wonderful! Give up half our team for one year of one pitcher. dream on! @TodLazarov @THE_FAKE_BOSH

  • jgadfly

    I’m not sure if Phillie would hang up on this … Travis Snider for Domonic Brown .

    I am very reluctant to trade Snider but I believe that TS would play well in the Philly bandbox … he’s 6 months younger than Brown, plays better defence and he would probably outhomer/slug him as well. Brown is not living up to expectations and is showing poor route selection on flyballs . I would only consider this trade if the Jays’ scouting thought that Brown had the athleticism/mobility/agility to be converted to 1st base … This would allow the Jays to move Rasmus to LF when Gose arrives and would put a superior talent on 1st which is presently the weakest position for the Jays, both onfield and prospects (longshot McDade aside) , going forward.

  • jgadfly

    I’m not sure if Phillie would hang up on this … Travis Snider for Domonic Brown .

    I am very reluctant to trade Snider but I believe that TS would play well in the Philly bandbox … he’s 6 months younger than Brown, plays better defence and he would probably outhomer/slug him as well. Brown is not living up to expectations and is showing poor route selection on flyballs . I would only consider this trade if the Jays’ scouting thought that Brown had the athleticism/mobility/agility to be converted to 1st base … This would allow the Jays to move Rasmus to LF when Gose arrives and would put a superior talent on 1st which is presently the weakest position for the Jays, both onfield and prospects (longshot McDade aside) , going forward.

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    @gnor@TodLazarov@THE_FAKE_BOSH Tod, calm down, it’s a little fun for a desperate jays fan. :(

    I would give them thames, deck or drew and colby. If we get Yoenis, why would we need Colby especially with Gose and Marisnick on the way ?

    gnor, the deisgner drugs are called skittles and since when was 4 players exactly ‘half’ of our team. Last time I checked there were 40 total players and 25 big league players.

    I think you guys forgot the ‘/’ means one of the 2 LOL

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    @gnor@TodLazarov@THE_FAKE_BOSH Tod, calm down, it’s a little fun for a desperate jays fan. :(

    I would give them thames, deck or drew and colby. If we get Yoenis, why would we need Colby especially with Gose and Marisnick on the way ?

    gnor, the deisgner drugs are called skittles and since when was 4 players exactly ‘half’ of our team. Last time I checked there were 40 total players and 25 big league players.

    I think you guys forgot the ‘/’ means one of the 2 LOL

  • TodLazarov

    @THE_FAKE_BOSH@gnor@TodLazarov I am sorry didnt mean to be offensive. But just because we have a new player to cover the position it doesnt mean we give up talent for free. Plus from what I undestand Oakland is looking for high ceiling talent in the A ball timeline because they want them to be ready in 3 years for their new stadium. Therefore this trade would never be accepted anyway.

  • TodLazarov

    @THE_FAKE_BOSH@gnor@TodLazarov I am sorry didnt mean to be offensive. But just because we have a new player to cover the position it doesnt mean we give up talent for free. Plus from what I undestand Oakland is looking for high ceiling talent in the A ball timeline because they want them to be ready in 3 years for their new stadium. Therefore this trade would never be accepted anyway.

  • gnor

    I wonder why you would trade Snider for a supposedly weaker prospect when he can hit the ball out of any ballpark ever built. That just doesn’t make sense.

    I also don’t know why people are writing Adam Lind off so soon. He played to a +.8 WAR in his first season at first base, played better D than Texiera, who everybody raves about, and hit 26 homers in a “sub par” season. He will do nothing but improve after an off season to rest and get in shape to play every day..@jgadfly

  • gnor

    Oakland? @TodLazarov @THE_FAKE_BOSH

  • gnor

    I wonder why you would trade Snider for a supposedly weaker prospect when he can hit the ball out of any ballpark ever built. That just doesn’t make sense.

    I also don’t know why people are writing Adam Lind off so soon. He played to a +.8 WAR in his first season at first base, played better D than Texiera, who everybody raves about, and hit 26 homers in a “sub par” season. He will do nothing but improve after an off season to rest and get in shape to play every day..@jgadfly

  • gnor

    Oakland? @TodLazarov @THE_FAKE_BOSH

  • TodLazarov

    Another point to this. There are actually a lot of high tier starting pitchers that will be free agents next year. I know some of them will get resigned but there should still be some quality arms to be had there if needed. Another reason why I want Fielder, there just wont be another power bat on the market outside of Votto for 3-4 years.

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    @TodLazarov@gnor Tod, I think you meant San Francisco. What trade would you propose for the Jays to be able to get Matt Cain ? ( just curious)

    What would it take to get Felix Hernandez assuming he’s back on the trading block ?

    My opinion is

    Jays Get

    SP – Felix Hernandez

    player to be named later or cash considerations

    Mariners Get

    Deck

    Colby

    Snider/Thames

    Carlos Perez / D’arnaud (NO) and possibly

    Hech ?

    I’m not sure that it would get it done, or if the Mariners make off like bandits in this one. What’s your intake ?

  • TodLazarov

    Another point to this. There are actually a lot of high tier starting pitchers that will be free agents next year. I know some of them will get resigned but there should still be some quality arms to be had there if needed. Another reason why I want Fielder, there just wont be another power bat on the market outside of Votto for 3-4 years.

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    @TodLazarov@gnor Tod, I think you meant San Francisco. What trade would you propose for the Jays to be able to get Matt Cain ? ( just curious)

    What would it take to get Felix Hernandez assuming he’s back on the trading block ?

    My opinion is

    Jays Get

    SP – Felix Hernandez

    player to be named later or cash considerations

    Mariners Get

    Deck

    Colby

    Snider/Thames

    Carlos Perez / D’arnaud (NO) and possibly

    Hech ?

    I’m not sure that it would get it done, or if the Mariners make off like bandits in this one. What’s your intake ?

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  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    @TodLazarov Can you give me an example of elite pitchers on the market for the coming years ? Felix Hernandez and/or Tim Lincecum. They’ll command a king’s fortune.

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    @gnor@jgadfly .8 WAR is nothing to be amazingly ahppy about, and have you seen his OBP. It’s f**cking atrocious .295. No he does not play better defense than Teixiera, his Range FActor is 4x greater than Lind’s and he also had superior defensive AND offensive statistics than Lind. Not to say that 26 bombs and 87 RBI’s is anything to scoff at, but Teixiera had a much better season overall. I guess we fell extra disappointed with Lind’s production over the past few years (even though it was average and above average power-wise this year) mainly because he had such a tremendous season in 2009. It seems that after Lind follows a certain pattern. He as 2 sub-par (by his standards) season before 2009 but gradually got better. Now expect a similar year this year 2 years after his original peak in 2009, you can see his production increasing slightly,. I’d expect something along the lines of a 280 average, 380 OBP, 550 SLG, 30-33 HR and 99-105 RBI’s. Lets go Jays!

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    @TodLazarov Can you give me an example of elite pitchers on the market for the coming years ? Felix Hernandez and/or Tim Lincecum. They’ll command a king’s fortune.

  • THE_FAKE_BOSH

    @gnor@jgadfly .8 WAR is nothing to be amazingly ahppy about, and have you seen his OBP. It’s f**cking atrocious .295. No he does not play better defense than Teixiera, his Range FActor is 4x greater than Lind’s and he also had superior defensive AND offensive statistics than Lind. Not to say that 26 bombs and 87 RBI’s is anything to scoff at, but Teixiera had a much better season overall. I guess we fell extra disappointed with Lind’s production over the past few years (even though it was average and above average power-wise this year) mainly because he had such a tremendous season in 2009. It seems that after Lind follows a certain pattern. He as 2 sub-par (by his standards) season before 2009 but gradually got better. Now expect a similar year this year 2 years after his original peak in 2009, you can see his production increasing slightly,. I’d expect something along the lines of a 280 average, 380 OBP, 550 SLG, 30-33 HR and 99-105 RBI’s. Lets go Jays!

  • furcifer

    Disappointing to know how far off the Jays were in the Darvish bid. Rogers still won’t spend the money