Comments on: How signing David Ortiz would be different than Frank Thomas http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/31/signing-david-ortiz-would-be-slightly-different-than-frank-thomas/ A Toronto Blue Jays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:16:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: juanguzman http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/31/signing-david-ortiz-would-be-slightly-different-than-frank-thomas/comment-page-1/#comment-5106 juanguzman Wed, 02 Nov 2011 06:03:15 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9804#comment-5106 i agree that ortiz would be a problem on the bases and that he would cost a pretty penny, however i do think that he would help the playoff push. with him batting 4th protecting bautista , it would allow lind to drop to the 5th spot or even 6th (if lawrie is hitting 5th) and take the pressure off of lind to drive in runs. i agree that ortiz would be a problem on the bases and that he would cost a pretty penny, however i do think that he would help the playoff push. with him batting 4th protecting bautista , it would allow lind to drop to the 5th spot or even 6th (if lawrie is hitting 5th) and take the pressure off of lind to drive in runs.

]]> By: juanguzman http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/31/signing-david-ortiz-would-be-slightly-different-than-frank-thomas/comment-page-1/#comment-950683 juanguzman Wed, 02 Nov 2011 06:03:15 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9804#comment-950683 i agree that ortiz would be a problem on the bases and that he would cost a pretty penny, however i do think that he would help the playoff push. with him batting 4th protecting bautista , it would allow lind to drop to the 5th spot or even 6th (if lawrie is hitting 5th) and take the pressure off of lind to drive in runs. i agree that ortiz would be a problem on the bases and that he would cost a pretty penny, however i do think that he would help the playoff push. with him batting 4th protecting bautista , it would allow lind to drop to the 5th spot or even 6th (if lawrie is hitting 5th) and take the pressure off of lind to drive in runs.

]]> By: Jared_Macdonald http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/31/signing-david-ortiz-would-be-slightly-different-than-frank-thomas/comment-page-1/#comment-5099 Jared_Macdonald Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:40:31 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9804#comment-5099 Gnor, I appreciate the comments. The argument about Papi coming from the AL East isn't designed to be at the forefront of the article (hence its location), but rather just a point indicating that Ortiz not only has more career games against AL East opponents already than Thomas, but he has considerably more in the years leading up to free agency (since Thomas was injured) and the extra point of being plucked from a division rival. Obviously Thomas put up good numbers in his first season and declined in his second, because he played all of 16 games for the Jays in 2008 including eight against AL East clubs. I do agree with you that his main problem was not showing up to camp in shape, though. There's no denying that Papi would become the slowest member on the team, but you can do a lot worse than the player who led all DHs with a 4.2 WAR this past season and total WAR in the last nine years at DH. Again, as I mentioned in the article, I'm not exactly against an Ortiz signing, but I'd still like to see what Encarnacion can do with a full season's worth of DH at-bats. Gnor, I appreciate the comments. The argument about Papi coming from the AL East isn’t designed to be at the forefront of the article (hence its location), but rather just a point indicating that Ortiz not only has more career games against AL East opponents already than Thomas, but he has considerably more in the years leading up to free agency (since Thomas was injured) and the extra point of being plucked from a division rival.

Obviously Thomas put up good numbers in his first season and declined in his second, because he played all of 16 games for the Jays in 2008 including eight against AL East clubs. I do agree with you that his main problem was not showing up to camp in shape, though.

There’s no denying that Papi would become the slowest member on the team, but you can do a lot worse than the player who led all DHs with a 4.2 WAR this past season and total WAR in the last nine years at DH. Again, as I mentioned in the article, I’m not exactly against an Ortiz signing, but I’d still like to see what Encarnacion can do with a full season’s worth of DH at-bats.

]]> By: Jared_Macdonald http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/31/signing-david-ortiz-would-be-slightly-different-than-frank-thomas/comment-page-1/#comment-950681 Jared_Macdonald Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:40:31 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9804#comment-950681 Gnor, I appreciate the comments. The argument about Papi coming from the AL East isn't designed to be at the forefront of the article (hence its location), but rather just a point indicating that Ortiz not only has more career games against AL East opponents already than Thomas, but he has considerably more in the years leading up to free agency (since Thomas was injured) and the extra point of being plucked from a division rival. Obviously Thomas put up good numbers in his first season and declined in his second, because he played all of 16 games for the Jays in 2008 including eight against AL East clubs. I do agree with you that his main problem was not showing up to camp in shape, though. There's no denying that Papi would become the slowest member on the team, but you can do a lot worse than the player who led all DHs with a 4.2 WAR this past season and total WAR in the last nine years at DH. Again, as I mentioned in the article, I'm not exactly against an Ortiz signing, but I'd still like to see what Encarnacion can do with a full season's worth of DH at-bats. Gnor, I appreciate the comments. The argument about Papi coming from the AL East isn’t designed to be at the forefront of the article (hence its location), but rather just a point indicating that Ortiz not only has more career games against AL East opponents already than Thomas, but he has considerably more in the years leading up to free agency (since Thomas was injured) and the extra point of being plucked from a division rival.

Obviously Thomas put up good numbers in his first season and declined in his second, because he played all of 16 games for the Jays in 2008 including eight against AL East clubs. I do agree with you that his main problem was not showing up to camp in shape, though.

There’s no denying that Papi would become the slowest member on the team, but you can do a lot worse than the player who led all DHs with a 4.2 WAR this past season and total WAR in the last nine years at DH. Again, as I mentioned in the article, I’m not exactly against an Ortiz signing, but I’d still like to see what Encarnacion can do with a full season’s worth of DH at-bats.

]]> By: gnor http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/31/signing-david-ortiz-would-be-slightly-different-than-frank-thomas/comment-page-1/#comment-5098 gnor Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:36:50 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9804#comment-5098 Your argument about Papi coming from the AL East and Frank coming from the central doesn't hold water. Thomas put up good numbers in his first season (in the AL East), and declined after that. His big problem I think, was not reporting in shape, and then trying to play himself into game shape. Maybe his bad knees limited his ability to work out, but the simple answer is that the train finally came to a stop. If I were AA right now, I would be trying to avoid signing any FA that stood a chance of playing their last game while wearing a Blue Jays uniform, something his predecessor wasn't very good at. Your argument about Papi coming from the AL East and Frank coming from the central doesn’t hold water. Thomas put up good numbers in his first season (in the AL East), and declined after that. His big problem I think, was not reporting in shape, and then trying to play himself into game shape. Maybe his bad knees limited his ability to work out, but the simple answer is that the train finally came to a stop.

If I were AA right now, I would be trying to avoid signing any FA that stood a chance of playing their last game while wearing a Blue Jays uniform, something his predecessor wasn’t very good at.

]]> By: gnor http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/31/signing-david-ortiz-would-be-slightly-different-than-frank-thomas/comment-page-1/#comment-950680 gnor Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:36:50 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9804#comment-950680 Your argument about Papi coming from the AL East and Frank coming from the central doesn't hold water. Thomas put up good numbers in his first season (in the AL East), and declined after that. His big problem I think, was not reporting in shape, and then trying to play himself into game shape. Maybe his bad knees limited his ability to work out, but the simple answer is that the train finally came to a stop. If I were AA right now, I would be trying to avoid signing any FA that stood a chance of playing their last game while wearing a Blue Jays uniform, something his predecessor wasn't very good at. Your argument about Papi coming from the AL East and Frank coming from the central doesn’t hold water. Thomas put up good numbers in his first season (in the AL East), and declined after that. His big problem I think, was not reporting in shape, and then trying to play himself into game shape. Maybe his bad knees limited his ability to work out, but the simple answer is that the train finally came to a stop.

If I were AA right now, I would be trying to avoid signing any FA that stood a chance of playing their last game while wearing a Blue Jays uniform, something his predecessor wasn’t very good at.

]]> By: gnor http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/31/signing-david-ortiz-would-be-slightly-different-than-frank-thomas/comment-page-1/#comment-5097 gnor Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:04:48 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9804#comment-5097 Don't like it. After spending the past 2 years trying to become speedier, and more athletic, Papi would immediately become the slowest guy on the team (barring Jose Molina), and would again require them to play station to station when he's on base. You also have a really expensive player who can only DH, so you limit your ability to rotate the DH spot through the lineup when others need a rest. Not to mention that he will come with a hefty price tag and he's not going to help them reach the playoffs any sooner. Don’t like it. After spending the past 2 years trying to become speedier, and more athletic, Papi would immediately become the slowest guy on the team (barring Jose Molina), and would again require them to play station to station when he’s on base. You also have a really expensive player who can only DH, so you limit your ability to rotate the DH spot through the lineup when others need a rest. Not to mention that he will come with a hefty price tag and he’s not going to help them reach the playoffs any sooner.

]]> By: gnor http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/31/signing-david-ortiz-would-be-slightly-different-than-frank-thomas/comment-page-1/#comment-950679 gnor Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:04:48 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9804#comment-950679 Don't like it. After spending the past 2 years trying to become speedier, and more athletic, Papi would immediately become the slowest guy on the team (barring Jose Molina), and would again require them to play station to station when he's on base. You also have a really expensive player who can only DH, so you limit your ability to rotate the DH spot through the lineup when others need a rest. Not to mention that he will come with a hefty price tag and he's not going to help them reach the playoffs any sooner. Don’t like it. After spending the past 2 years trying to become speedier, and more athletic, Papi would immediately become the slowest guy on the team (barring Jose Molina), and would again require them to play station to station when he’s on base. You also have a really expensive player who can only DH, so you limit your ability to rotate the DH spot through the lineup when others need a rest. Not to mention that he will come with a hefty price tag and he’s not going to help them reach the playoffs any sooner.

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