Comments on: Starting Pitching “Flyers” the Jays Should Consider http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/ A Toronto Blue Jays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:12:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: scottbarber http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/comment-page-1/#comment-5032 scottbarber Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:16:46 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9350#comment-5032 @whysodevious If the Jays can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each. McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn't do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year. The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden. @whysodevious

If the Jays can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each.

McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn’t do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year.

The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden.

]]> By: scottbarber http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/comment-page-1/#comment-950635 scottbarber Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:16:46 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9350#comment-950635 @whysodevious If the Jays can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each. McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn't do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year. The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden. @whysodevious

If the Jays can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each.

McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn’t do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year.

The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden.

]]> By: scottbarber http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/comment-page-1/#comment-5031 scottbarber Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:16:21 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9350#comment-5031 @whysodevious If we can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each. McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn't do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year. The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden. @whysodevious

If we can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each.

McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn’t do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year.

The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden.

]]> By: scottbarber http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/comment-page-1/#comment-950634 scottbarber Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:16:21 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9350#comment-950634 @whysodevious If we can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each. McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn't do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year. The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden. @whysodevious

If we can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each.

McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn’t do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year.

The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden.

]]> By: scottbarber http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/comment-page-1/#comment-5030 scottbarber Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:15:57 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9350#comment-5030 If we can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each. McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn't do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year. The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden. If we can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each.

McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn’t do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year.

The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden.

]]> By: scottbarber http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/comment-page-1/#comment-950633 scottbarber Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:15:57 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9350#comment-950633 If we can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each. McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn't do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year. The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden. If we can get Darvish or Wilson than this idea is obviously out the window- but I believe the chances of either being signed by the Jays are slim. The cost and demand are going going to be huge for each.

McGowan has never put up anywhere near the numbers that Harden and Webb have in their careers. He also didn’t do much in his 21 innings this season to suggest that he warrants a spot in the rotation next year.

The point of the post was to suggest that because Cecil, Drabek and Alvarez (he was good, but he is still extremely young/inexperienced) are question marks for 2012, the Jays should consider a cheap, high-upside type. Granted, Francis was a stretch, but I would stand by the notion that the Jays should think about inexpensive 1 year deals for Webb or Harden.

]]> By: whysodevious http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/comment-page-1/#comment-5029 whysodevious Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:44:23 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9350#comment-5029 Makes absolutely no sense for the Blue Jays. Regardless of the fact that Beeston, Farrell and Anthopoulos have all openly stated that they most definitely are not looking for back-of-the-rotation starters and if they do go for pitching, it'll be for someone who can throw '200 quality innings', not only would be taking a risk and wasting money on these pitchers, but we'd be creating a whole new problem. With Romero, Morrow and Alvarez as the 1,2,3 pitchers, we only have two spots in the rotation left as it is. With Drabek, McGowan and Cecil, it becomes awfully crowded, and it is absolutely mandatory that the Blue Jays have space for their minor league pitchers for next year. Hutchison, Molina and McGuire are all expected to be up for a trial run at the majors at some point next year. On top of all of this, there are rumors that the Blue Jays may be contenders for CJ Wilson's services next year and many are also saying that the Jays are the favorites to sign Darvish. Even if they don't acquire either of these pitchers (though AA has said he really wants top of the rotation pitching), you already have an incredible log jam of a rotation. It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to hire a veteran pitcher to take up yet another space, and this is exactly why the Jays brass has already say that they won't be shopping for older guys. If anything, you could in fact consider Dustin McGowan as the exact kind of pitcher that you are looking for. Just came off an injury, has good upside, and used to be a proven starting pitcher. What exactly is the reasoning behind giving all those other guys that you mentioned any priority over McGowan. Makes absolutely no sense for the Blue Jays. Regardless of the fact that Beeston, Farrell and Anthopoulos have all openly stated that they most definitely are not looking for back-of-the-rotation starters and if they do go for pitching, it’ll be for someone who can throw ’200 quality innings’, not only would be taking a risk and wasting money on these pitchers, but we’d be creating a whole new problem. With Romero, Morrow and Alvarez as the 1,2,3 pitchers, we only have two spots in the rotation left as it is. With Drabek, McGowan and Cecil, it becomes awfully crowded, and it is absolutely mandatory that the Blue Jays have space for their minor league pitchers for next year. Hutchison, Molina and McGuire are all expected to be up for a trial run at the majors at some point next year. On top of all of this, there are rumors that the Blue Jays may be contenders for CJ Wilson’s services next year and many are also saying that the Jays are the favorites to sign Darvish. Even if they don’t acquire either of these pitchers (though AA has said he really wants top of the rotation pitching), you already have an incredible log jam of a rotation. It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to hire a veteran pitcher to take up yet another space, and this is exactly why the Jays brass has already say that they won’t be shopping for older guys. If anything, you could in fact consider Dustin McGowan as the exact kind of pitcher that you are looking for. Just came off an injury, has good upside, and used to be a proven starting pitcher. What exactly is the reasoning behind giving all those other guys that you mentioned any priority over McGowan.

]]> By: whysodevious http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/comment-page-1/#comment-950632 whysodevious Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:44:23 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9350#comment-950632 Makes absolutely no sense for the Blue Jays. Regardless of the fact that Beeston, Farrell and Anthopoulos have all openly stated that they most definitely are not looking for back-of-the-rotation starters and if they do go for pitching, it'll be for someone who can throw '200 quality innings', not only would be taking a risk and wasting money on these pitchers, but we'd be creating a whole new problem. With Romero, Morrow and Alvarez as the 1,2,3 pitchers, we only have two spots in the rotation left as it is. With Drabek, McGowan and Cecil, it becomes awfully crowded, and it is absolutely mandatory that the Blue Jays have space for their minor league pitchers for next year. Hutchison, Molina and McGuire are all expected to be up for a trial run at the majors at some point next year. On top of all of this, there are rumors that the Blue Jays may be contenders for CJ Wilson's services next year and many are also saying that the Jays are the favorites to sign Darvish. Even if they don't acquire either of these pitchers (though AA has said he really wants top of the rotation pitching), you already have an incredible log jam of a rotation. It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to hire a veteran pitcher to take up yet another space, and this is exactly why the Jays brass has already say that they won't be shopping for older guys. If anything, you could in fact consider Dustin McGowan as the exact kind of pitcher that you are looking for. Just came off an injury, has good upside, and used to be a proven starting pitcher. What exactly is the reasoning behind giving all those other guys that you mentioned any priority over McGowan. Makes absolutely no sense for the Blue Jays. Regardless of the fact that Beeston, Farrell and Anthopoulos have all openly stated that they most definitely are not looking for back-of-the-rotation starters and if they do go for pitching, it’ll be for someone who can throw ’200 quality innings’, not only would be taking a risk and wasting money on these pitchers, but we’d be creating a whole new problem. With Romero, Morrow and Alvarez as the 1,2,3 pitchers, we only have two spots in the rotation left as it is. With Drabek, McGowan and Cecil, it becomes awfully crowded, and it is absolutely mandatory that the Blue Jays have space for their minor league pitchers for next year. Hutchison, Molina and McGuire are all expected to be up for a trial run at the majors at some point next year. On top of all of this, there are rumors that the Blue Jays may be contenders for CJ Wilson’s services next year and many are also saying that the Jays are the favorites to sign Darvish. Even if they don’t acquire either of these pitchers (though AA has said he really wants top of the rotation pitching), you already have an incredible log jam of a rotation. It would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to hire a veteran pitcher to take up yet another space, and this is exactly why the Jays brass has already say that they won’t be shopping for older guys. If anything, you could in fact consider Dustin McGowan as the exact kind of pitcher that you are looking for. Just came off an injury, has good upside, and used to be a proven starting pitcher. What exactly is the reasoning behind giving all those other guys that you mentioned any priority over McGowan.

]]> By: ace frehley http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/comment-page-1/#comment-5019 ace frehley Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:49:30 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9350#comment-5019 I don't share the enthusiasm for McGowan, I think his ship has sailed. It makes for a great story but comebacks like he's attempting are rare indeed. Hope I'm wrong. I don’t share the enthusiasm for McGowan, I think his ship has sailed. It makes for a great story but comebacks like he’s attempting are rare indeed. Hope I’m wrong.

]]> By: ace frehley http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/15/starting-pitching-flyers-the-jays-should-consider/comment-page-1/#comment-950624 ace frehley Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:49:30 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9350#comment-950624 I don't share the enthusiasm for McGowan, I think his ship has sailed. It makes for a great story but comebacks like he's attempting are rare indeed. Hope I'm wrong. I don’t share the enthusiasm for McGowan, I think his ship has sailed. It makes for a great story but comebacks like he’s attempting are rare indeed. Hope I’m wrong.

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