Comments on: Left-handed relievers available to the Jays on the free agent market http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/ A Toronto Blue Jays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:16:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Jared_Macdonald http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/comment-page-1/#comment-4971 Jared_Macdonald Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:44:44 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9265#comment-4971 @keith72 I agree with you Keith, that a lefty specialist could work just fine in a Toronto bullpen. I don't think the organization has given up on Cecil just yet, but should they sign a top starter this offseason (which they certainly need) it would certainly crowd the rotation and force someone out. @keith72 I agree with you Keith, that a lefty specialist could work just fine in a Toronto bullpen. I don’t think the organization has given up on Cecil just yet, but should they sign a top starter this offseason (which they certainly need) it would certainly crowd the rotation and force someone out.

]]> By: Jared_Macdonald http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/comment-page-1/#comment-950584 Jared_Macdonald Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:44:44 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9265#comment-950584 @keith72 I agree with you Keith, that a lefty specialist could work just fine in a Toronto bullpen. I don't think the organization has given up on Cecil just yet, but should they sign a top starter this offseason (which they certainly need) it would certainly crowd the rotation and force someone out. @keith72 I agree with you Keith, that a lefty specialist could work just fine in a Toronto bullpen. I don’t think the organization has given up on Cecil just yet, but should they sign a top starter this offseason (which they certainly need) it would certainly crowd the rotation and force someone out.

]]> By: Jared_Macdonald http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/comment-page-1/#comment-4970 Jared_Macdonald Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:42:34 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9265#comment-4970 I think it's because of the small sample sizes relievers amass from year to year. A reliever usually pitches between 30-60 innings a year during which a lot can happen. A few bad innings here and there, and their stats are completely inflated. I'd say it also kind of ties into the fact that there are so many different ways a reliever can come into a game. Not only do starters hurl something in the neighborhood of 150-180 innings for a larger sample, but they start every game off fresh. That's why it's easy to understand Alex Anthopoulos' hesitancy to fork out lucrative multiyear deals to relievers. I think it’s because of the small sample sizes relievers amass from year to year. A reliever usually pitches between 30-60 innings a year during which a lot can happen. A few bad innings here and there, and their stats are completely inflated.

I’d say it also kind of ties into the fact that there are so many different ways a reliever can come into a game. Not only do starters hurl something in the neighborhood of 150-180 innings for a larger sample, but they start every game off fresh.

That’s why it’s easy to understand Alex Anthopoulos’ hesitancy to fork out lucrative multiyear deals to relievers.

]]> By: Jared_Macdonald http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/comment-page-1/#comment-950583 Jared_Macdonald Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:42:34 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9265#comment-950583 I think it's because of the small sample sizes relievers amass from year to year. A reliever usually pitches between 30-60 innings a year during which a lot can happen. A few bad innings here and there, and their stats are completely inflated. I'd say it also kind of ties into the fact that there are so many different ways a reliever can come into a game. Not only do starters hurl something in the neighborhood of 150-180 innings for a larger sample, but they start every game off fresh. That's why it's easy to understand Alex Anthopoulos' hesitancy to fork out lucrative multiyear deals to relievers. I think it’s because of the small sample sizes relievers amass from year to year. A reliever usually pitches between 30-60 innings a year during which a lot can happen. A few bad innings here and there, and their stats are completely inflated.

I’d say it also kind of ties into the fact that there are so many different ways a reliever can come into a game. Not only do starters hurl something in the neighborhood of 150-180 innings for a larger sample, but they start every game off fresh.

That’s why it’s easy to understand Alex Anthopoulos’ hesitancy to fork out lucrative multiyear deals to relievers.

]]> By: keith72 http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/comment-page-1/#comment-4961 keith72 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:53:31 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9265#comment-4961 Lopez and Sherrill are definitely good options. I think Gonzalez and Oliver will be too pricey in terms of number of years. Sherrill is definitely only a lefty specialist and hopefully Farrell has learned by his misuse of Dotel, that a guy can serve a perfectly good role coming in to face 1 or 2 batters. Especially in the AL BEast. I personally think that they will deal/ sign a #2 starting pitcher and move Cecil to the pen. Especially when you look at Cecil's versatility & career #'s against LHB's. Plus having him in the pen gives us 3 or 4 guys (depending on if Litsch is included in the deal) that can go multiple innings. We will likely need that flexibility with McGowan and Alvarez on inning limits in 2012. So assuming that AA gets Darvish or deals for a starting pitcher, the pen shapes up as: Janssen, Perez, Villaneuva, Cecil & Litsch (if they are not included in a potential deal). So I see there being room for 2 free agents. One should be a proven LOOGY with the other being a high leverage guy. IMO you will also see Carenno & Beck floating between the Jays and Vegas next year. Lopez and Sherrill are definitely good options. I think Gonzalez and Oliver will be too pricey in terms of number of years. Sherrill is definitely only a lefty specialist and hopefully Farrell has learned by his misuse of Dotel, that a guy can serve a perfectly good role coming in to face 1 or 2 batters. Especially in the AL BEast.

I personally think that they will deal/ sign a #2 starting pitcher and move Cecil to the pen. Especially when you look at Cecil’s versatility & career #’s against LHB’s. Plus having him in the pen gives us 3 or 4 guys (depending on if Litsch is included in the deal) that can go multiple innings. We will likely need that flexibility with McGowan and Alvarez on inning limits in 2012.

So assuming that AA gets Darvish or deals for a starting pitcher, the pen shapes up as: Janssen, Perez, Villaneuva, Cecil & Litsch (if they are not included in a potential deal). So I see there being room for 2 free agents. One should be a proven LOOGY with the other being a high leverage guy. IMO you will also see Carenno & Beck floating between the Jays and Vegas next year.

]]> By: keith72 http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/comment-page-1/#comment-950576 keith72 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:53:31 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9265#comment-950576 Lopez and Sherrill are definitely good options. I think Gonzalez and Oliver will be too pricey in terms of number of years. Sherrill is definitely only a lefty specialist and hopefully Farrell has learned by his misuse of Dotel, that a guy can serve a perfectly good role coming in to face 1 or 2 batters. Especially in the AL BEast. I personally think that they will deal/ sign a #2 starting pitcher and move Cecil to the pen. Especially when you look at Cecil's versatility & career #'s against LHB's. Plus having him in the pen gives us 3 or 4 guys (depending on if Litsch is included in the deal) that can go multiple innings. We will likely need that flexibility with McGowan and Alvarez on inning limits in 2012. So assuming that AA gets Darvish or deals for a starting pitcher, the pen shapes up as: Janssen, Perez, Villaneuva, Cecil & Litsch (if they are not included in a potential deal). So I see there being room for 2 free agents. One should be a proven LOOGY with the other being a high leverage guy. IMO you will also see Carenno & Beck floating between the Jays and Vegas next year. Lopez and Sherrill are definitely good options. I think Gonzalez and Oliver will be too pricey in terms of number of years. Sherrill is definitely only a lefty specialist and hopefully Farrell has learned by his misuse of Dotel, that a guy can serve a perfectly good role coming in to face 1 or 2 batters. Especially in the AL BEast.

I personally think that they will deal/ sign a #2 starting pitcher and move Cecil to the pen. Especially when you look at Cecil’s versatility & career #’s against LHB’s. Plus having him in the pen gives us 3 or 4 guys (depending on if Litsch is included in the deal) that can go multiple innings. We will likely need that flexibility with McGowan and Alvarez on inning limits in 2012.

So assuming that AA gets Darvish or deals for a starting pitcher, the pen shapes up as: Janssen, Perez, Villaneuva, Cecil & Litsch (if they are not included in a potential deal). So I see there being room for 2 free agents. One should be a proven LOOGY with the other being a high leverage guy. IMO you will also see Carenno & Beck floating between the Jays and Vegas next year.

]]> By: dbenson1399 http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/comment-page-1/#comment-4959 dbenson1399 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:11:31 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9265#comment-4959 I have a question, why are relievers so flaky year to year? At most positions, a guy is solid for a couple of years, you mostly know what you have, but it seems with relief pitching, with a few notable exceptions ... Riveria, Downs, etc. they can be brilliant one year and the next, you wouldn't trust them with a 10 run lead. I remember Jesse Carlson was lights out one year and the past 2 seasons he hasn't cracked the bigs except for a couple of shorts stints where it was obvious that he should not be in the bigs. I have a question, why are relievers so flaky year to year? At most positions, a guy is solid for a couple of years, you mostly know what you have, but it seems with relief pitching, with a few notable exceptions … Riveria, Downs, etc. they can be brilliant one year and the next, you wouldn’t trust them with a 10 run lead. I remember Jesse Carlson was lights out one year and the past 2 seasons he hasn’t cracked the bigs except for a couple of shorts stints where it was obvious that he should not be in the bigs.

]]> By: dbenson1399 http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/comment-page-1/#comment-950574 dbenson1399 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:11:31 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9265#comment-950574 I have a question, why are relievers so flaky year to year? At most positions, a guy is solid for a couple of years, you mostly know what you have, but it seems with relief pitching, with a few notable exceptions ... Riveria, Downs, etc. they can be brilliant one year and the next, you wouldn't trust them with a 10 run lead. I remember Jesse Carlson was lights out one year and the past 2 seasons he hasn't cracked the bigs except for a couple of shorts stints where it was obvious that he should not be in the bigs. I have a question, why are relievers so flaky year to year? At most positions, a guy is solid for a couple of years, you mostly know what you have, but it seems with relief pitching, with a few notable exceptions … Riveria, Downs, etc. they can be brilliant one year and the next, you wouldn’t trust them with a 10 run lead. I remember Jesse Carlson was lights out one year and the past 2 seasons he hasn’t cracked the bigs except for a couple of shorts stints where it was obvious that he should not be in the bigs.

]]> By: juanguzman http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/comment-page-1/#comment-4956 juanguzman Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:36:41 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9265#comment-4956 maybe javier lopez, but i'd pass on all the others. if that's the best free agents availabe, then make some trades or look to the minors. maybe javier lopez, but i’d pass on all the others. if that’s the best free agents availabe, then make some trades or look to the minors.

]]> By: juanguzman http://jaysjournal.com/2011/10/11/left-handed-relievers-available-to-the-jays-on-the-free-agent-market/comment-page-1/#comment-950573 juanguzman Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:36:41 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=9265#comment-950573 maybe javier lopez, but i'd pass on all the others. if that's the best free agents availabe, then make some trades or look to the minors. maybe javier lopez, but i’d pass on all the others. if that’s the best free agents availabe, then make some trades or look to the minors.

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