Comments on: Introducing Daniel Norris, Pick #74 in the 2011 Draft http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/ A Toronto Blue Jays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:16:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: richo http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4814 richo Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:13:45 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8895#comment-4814 When is his first start down in Dunedin? When is his first start down in Dunedin?

]]> By: richo http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-950478 richo Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:13:45 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8895#comment-950478 When is his first start down in Dunedin? When is his first start down in Dunedin?

]]> By: lolwut http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4813 lolwut Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:29:31 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8895#comment-4813 @JaysJournal@sam1 There have been some scouting reports I've read that said his ceiling is a #3 starter. I believe one of them may have been the one on mlb.com @JaysJournal@sam1

There have been some scouting reports I’ve read that said his ceiling is a #3 starter. I believe one of them may have been the one on mlb.com

]]> By: lolwut http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-950477 lolwut Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:29:31 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8895#comment-950477 @JaysJournal@sam1 There have been some scouting reports I've read that said his ceiling is a #3 starter. I believe one of them may have been the one on mlb.com @JaysJournal@sam1

There have been some scouting reports I’ve read that said his ceiling is a #3 starter. I believe one of them may have been the one on mlb.com

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4810 JaysJournal Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:50:02 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8895#comment-4810 @sam1 Actually Sam, there isn't one article which I read or one expert that was interviewed who didn't mention Norris as having front end stuff. It's exactly this kind of potential that had people saying he wouldn't be an easy sign and would likely attend college. I'm not going to get into a back-and-forth with you about your other comments, but trust me, I do more than enough research to make valid and well supported arguments about the players I write about. @sam1 Actually Sam, there isn’t one article which I read or one expert that was interviewed who didn’t mention Norris as having front end stuff. It’s exactly this kind of potential that had people saying he wouldn’t be an easy sign and would likely attend college.

I’m not going to get into a back-and-forth with you about your other comments, but trust me, I do more than enough research to make valid and well supported arguments about the players I write about.

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-950476 JaysJournal Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:50:02 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8895#comment-950476 @sam1 Actually Sam, there isn't one article which I read or one expert that was interviewed who didn't mention Norris as having front end stuff. It's exactly this kind of potential that had people saying he wouldn't be an easy sign and would likely attend college. I'm not going to get into a back-and-forth with you about your other comments, but trust me, I do more than enough research to make valid and well supported arguments about the players I write about. @sam1 Actually Sam, there isn’t one article which I read or one expert that was interviewed who didn’t mention Norris as having front end stuff. It’s exactly this kind of potential that had people saying he wouldn’t be an easy sign and would likely attend college.

I’m not going to get into a back-and-forth with you about your other comments, but trust me, I do more than enough research to make valid and well supported arguments about the players I write about.

]]> By: lolwut http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4809 lolwut Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:16:42 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8895#comment-4809 @sam1"Scouting Report Big and projectable at 6-foot-2 and 180 lbs., Norris has shown three better than average pitches plus a usable fourth offering at times this spring. He legitimately sat 93-96 with his fastball at times, though he mostly worked at 89-92. An upper-70′s curveball with tight spin is his top breaking ball, though he also uses a mid-80′s slider against right-handers. A mid-70′s changeup is his third best pitch and is ahead of the slider. There’s some effort in Norris’ delivery, which leads to inconsistent control and command. He’s athletic though, so adjustments shouldn’t be impossible." "here’s definite front of the rotation potential here, though he needs to figure out a consistent delivery and shore up that command." http://riveraveblues.com/2011/06/2011-draft-daniel-norris-49614/ "Norris showcased a 93-95 mph fastball, a plus downer curveball at 73-74 mph, and a quality low-80s changeup. This kid is the full package, and he showed a nice feel for pitching. This is the best left-handed pitching prospect to come along in the draft in a couple years." http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/21/mlb-draft-2011-prospects/ He's not really a big player and could stand to fill out a little more, maybe add a couple of ticks and improve his command. He is also very young and athletic enough to improve his delivery or so I've read. Right now, his ceiling is anything from #1-3 IMO but we need to see some pro data to truly decide where his ceiling is at. @sam1″Scouting Report Big and projectable at 6-foot-2 and 180 lbs., Norris has shown three better than average pitches plus a usable fourth offering at times this spring. He legitimately sat 93-96 with his fastball at times, though he mostly worked at 89-92. An upper-70′s curveball with tight spin is his top breaking ball, though he also uses a mid-80′s slider against right-handers. A mid-70′s changeup is his third best pitch and is ahead of the slider. There’s some effort in Norris’ delivery, which leads to inconsistent control and command. He’s athletic though, so adjustments shouldn’t be impossible.”

“here’s definite front of the rotation potential here, though he needs to figure out a consistent delivery and shore up that command.”

http://riveraveblues.com/2011/06/2011-draft-daniel-norris-49614/

“Norris showcased a 93-95 mph fastball, a plus downer curveball at 73-74 mph, and a quality low-80s changeup. This kid is the full package, and he showed a nice feel for pitching. This is the best left-handed pitching prospect to come along in the draft in a couple years.” http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/21/mlb-draft-2011-prospects/

He’s not really a big player and could stand to fill out a little more, maybe add a couple of ticks and improve his command. He is also very young and athletic enough to improve his delivery or so I’ve read.

Right now, his ceiling is anything from #1-3 IMO but we need to see some pro data to truly decide where his ceiling is at.

]]> By: lolwut http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-950475 lolwut Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:16:42 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8895#comment-950475 @sam1"Scouting Report Big and projectable at 6-foot-2 and 180 lbs., Norris has shown three better than average pitches plus a usable fourth offering at times this spring. He legitimately sat 93-96 with his fastball at times, though he mostly worked at 89-92. An upper-70′s curveball with tight spin is his top breaking ball, though he also uses a mid-80′s slider against right-handers. A mid-70′s changeup is his third best pitch and is ahead of the slider. There’s some effort in Norris’ delivery, which leads to inconsistent control and command. He’s athletic though, so adjustments shouldn’t be impossible." "here’s definite front of the rotation potential here, though he needs to figure out a consistent delivery and shore up that command." http://riveraveblues.com/2011/06/2011-draft-daniel-norris-49614/ "Norris showcased a 93-95 mph fastball, a plus downer curveball at 73-74 mph, and a quality low-80s changeup. This kid is the full package, and he showed a nice feel for pitching. This is the best left-handed pitching prospect to come along in the draft in a couple years." http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/21/mlb-draft-2011-prospects/ He's not really a big player and could stand to fill out a little more, maybe add a couple of ticks and improve his command. He is also very young and athletic enough to improve his delivery or so I've read. Right now, his ceiling is anything from #1-3 IMO but we need to see some pro data to truly decide where his ceiling is at. @sam1″Scouting Report Big and projectable at 6-foot-2 and 180 lbs., Norris has shown three better than average pitches plus a usable fourth offering at times this spring. He legitimately sat 93-96 with his fastball at times, though he mostly worked at 89-92. An upper-70′s curveball with tight spin is his top breaking ball, though he also uses a mid-80′s slider against right-handers. A mid-70′s changeup is his third best pitch and is ahead of the slider. There’s some effort in Norris’ delivery, which leads to inconsistent control and command. He’s athletic though, so adjustments shouldn’t be impossible.”

“here’s definite front of the rotation potential here, though he needs to figure out a consistent delivery and shore up that command.”

http://riveraveblues.com/2011/06/2011-draft-daniel-norris-49614/

“Norris showcased a 93-95 mph fastball, a plus downer curveball at 73-74 mph, and a quality low-80s changeup. This kid is the full package, and he showed a nice feel for pitching. This is the best left-handed pitching prospect to come along in the draft in a couple years.” http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/21/mlb-draft-2011-prospects/

He’s not really a big player and could stand to fill out a little more, maybe add a couple of ticks and improve his command. He is also very young and athletic enough to improve his delivery or so I’ve read.

Right now, his ceiling is anything from #1-3 IMO but we need to see some pro data to truly decide where his ceiling is at.

]]> By: sam1 http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4808 sam1 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:23:51 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8895#comment-4808 Norris looks a good prospect but there are several issues with this article. He touches mid nineties, he doesn't pitch there. His delivery has flaws, namely his short arming of the ball. Most scouts don't like the way his arm works. As such, most see Norris as you get what you see. His body is fairly developed and they don't see the same physical projection as a Comer or Beede. You're the first person who says he's got frontline material stuff. That was a good one. I love the research you do but good god, get out and see some of these guys or talk to baseball people. I remember an article talking about Jack Murphy. That was funny. Norris looks a good pitching prospect but the rate of failure in prospects is high. So you've go this nice list of waves of talent. If there's ten guys there, pick one or two. They might make it to the show and have an impact. There are also issues with citation here. You make strong claims about players with no reference to where you're seeing these projections. Where do you see the projection to be a no.1? Where do you see scouts saying he'll pitch at 93-95? I've heard through Ben Badler that last year at the Jupiter Classic he touched 96 a couple times over two innings but worked 91, 92 with good arm side run, but that's it. My understanding is since then, his stuff hasn't improved with many suspecting he's peaked. I gather you think, hey, this guy can throw X, has some command, and has a good breaking ball, add it all up, frontline starter. It's really not that simple. My suggestion would be to go to a ML combine. I don't know if Walt Burrows is still running one out of Connorvale, but go and watch scouts evaluate players. It'll be worth your time and you'll learn something about projection and 18 year old prospects. Norris looks a good prospect but there are several issues with this article. He touches mid nineties, he doesn’t pitch there. His delivery has flaws, namely his short arming of the ball. Most scouts don’t like the way his arm works. As such, most see Norris as you get what you see. His body is fairly developed and they don’t see the same physical projection as a Comer or Beede. You’re the first person who says he’s got frontline material stuff. That was a good one.

I love the research you do but good god, get out and see some of these guys or talk to baseball people. I remember an article talking about Jack Murphy. That was funny. Norris looks a good pitching prospect but the rate of failure in prospects is high. So you’ve go this nice list of waves of talent. If there’s ten guys there, pick one or two. They might make it to the show and have an impact.

There are also issues with citation here. You make strong claims about players with no reference to where you’re seeing these projections. Where do you see the projection to be a no.1? Where do you see scouts saying he’ll pitch at 93-95? I’ve heard through Ben Badler that last year at the Jupiter Classic he touched 96 a couple times over two innings but worked 91, 92 with good arm side run, but that’s it. My understanding is since then, his stuff hasn’t improved with many suspecting he’s peaked.

I gather you think, hey, this guy can throw X, has some command, and has a good breaking ball, add it all up, frontline starter. It’s really not that simple. My suggestion would be to go to a ML combine. I don’t know if Walt Burrows is still running one out of Connorvale, but go and watch scouts evaluate players. It’ll be worth your time and you’ll learn something about projection and 18 year old prospects.

]]> By: sam1 http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/21/introducing-daniel-norris-pick-74-in-the-2011-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-950474 sam1 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:23:51 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8895#comment-950474 Norris looks a good prospect but there are several issues with this article. He touches mid nineties, he doesn't pitch there. His delivery has flaws, namely his short arming of the ball. Most scouts don't like the way his arm works. As such, most see Norris as you get what you see. His body is fairly developed and they don't see the same physical projection as a Comer or Beede. You're the first person who says he's got frontline material stuff. That was a good one. I love the research you do but good god, get out and see some of these guys or talk to baseball people. I remember an article talking about Jack Murphy. That was funny. Norris looks a good pitching prospect but the rate of failure in prospects is high. So you've go this nice list of waves of talent. If there's ten guys there, pick one or two. They might make it to the show and have an impact. There are also issues with citation here. You make strong claims about players with no reference to where you're seeing these projections. Where do you see the projection to be a no.1? Where do you see scouts saying he'll pitch at 93-95? I've heard through Ben Badler that last year at the Jupiter Classic he touched 96 a couple times over two innings but worked 91, 92 with good arm side run, but that's it. My understanding is since then, his stuff hasn't improved with many suspecting he's peaked. I gather you think, hey, this guy can throw X, has some command, and has a good breaking ball, add it all up, frontline starter. It's really not that simple. My suggestion would be to go to a ML combine. I don't know if Walt Burrows is still running one out of Connorvale, but go and watch scouts evaluate players. It'll be worth your time and you'll learn something about projection and 18 year old prospects. Norris looks a good prospect but there are several issues with this article. He touches mid nineties, he doesn’t pitch there. His delivery has flaws, namely his short arming of the ball. Most scouts don’t like the way his arm works. As such, most see Norris as you get what you see. His body is fairly developed and they don’t see the same physical projection as a Comer or Beede. You’re the first person who says he’s got frontline material stuff. That was a good one.

I love the research you do but good god, get out and see some of these guys or talk to baseball people. I remember an article talking about Jack Murphy. That was funny. Norris looks a good pitching prospect but the rate of failure in prospects is high. So you’ve go this nice list of waves of talent. If there’s ten guys there, pick one or two. They might make it to the show and have an impact.

There are also issues with citation here. You make strong claims about players with no reference to where you’re seeing these projections. Where do you see the projection to be a no.1? Where do you see scouts saying he’ll pitch at 93-95? I’ve heard through Ben Badler that last year at the Jupiter Classic he touched 96 a couple times over two innings but worked 91, 92 with good arm side run, but that’s it. My understanding is since then, his stuff hasn’t improved with many suspecting he’s peaked.

I gather you think, hey, this guy can throw X, has some command, and has a good breaking ball, add it all up, frontline starter. It’s really not that simple. My suggestion would be to go to a ML combine. I don’t know if Walt Burrows is still running one out of Connorvale, but go and watch scouts evaluate players. It’ll be worth your time and you’ll learn something about projection and 18 year old prospects.

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