Comments on: Jays Pen Topics: Jesse Litsch, a Long-Term Option? http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/ A Toronto Blue Jays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:12:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: keith72 http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/comment-page-1/#comment-4806 keith72 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:11:24 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8875#comment-4806 @DerekNakluski Statistically a Closer is not a valid idea. Think about it. On a team like New York with significant $'s invested in a closer, how many games/ year does the best closer really make a difference.... 10? By this I mean come in and shut the door on a rally. Most times they are pitching in no pressure situations, opening an inning. Most will, at best, appear in 50 games/ yr. In addition, they will usually not be able to pitch in back to back games. Lastly even the best will blow 5+ games/ year. Think about our glory years. We had Henke and Ward, or Ward and Timlin. Not to mention your also had some "guys" named David Wells (made 14 starts that year) and Pat Hentgen pitching out of the pen in 92. I think this illustrates that you need multiple guys who can pitch in high leverage situations to win in the AL Beast. The real goal should be to get an assembly of 5 high quality arms who can all pitch in high leverage situations. The 6 & 7 spots should be held by a multiple inning guy and lefty specialist. If we look at this model, we have the long guy in Villaneuva and lack the lefty specialist (maybe Tallet?). Litsch, Janssen, Perez & Fransisco all have the stuff to pitch in high leverage situations. If you add a Carreno or Beck or as Mat has indicated , Daniel Webb you then have a bunch of guys who can come in and put out fires in different situations. Instead of putting all of our resources in 1 guy, "the Closer" I would rather spread it around the pen @DerekNakluski Statistically a Closer is not a valid idea. Think about it. On a team like New York with significant $’s invested in a closer, how many games/ year does the best closer really make a difference…. 10? By this I mean come in and shut the door on a rally. Most times they are pitching in no pressure situations, opening an inning. Most will, at best, appear in 50 games/ yr. In addition, they will usually not be able to pitch in back to back games. Lastly even the best will blow 5+ games/ year.

Think about our glory years. We had Henke and Ward, or Ward and Timlin. Not to mention your also had some “guys” named David Wells (made 14 starts that year) and Pat Hentgen pitching out of the pen in 92. I think this illustrates that you need multiple guys who can pitch in high leverage situations to win in the AL Beast.

The real goal should be to get an assembly of 5 high quality arms who can all pitch in high leverage situations. The 6 & 7 spots should be held by a multiple inning guy and lefty specialist. If we look at this model, we have the long guy in Villaneuva and lack the lefty specialist (maybe Tallet?). Litsch, Janssen, Perez & Fransisco all have the stuff to pitch in high leverage situations. If you add a Carreno or Beck or as Mat has indicated , Daniel Webb you then have a bunch of guys who can come in and put out fires in different situations.

Instead of putting all of our resources in 1 guy, “the Closer” I would rather spread it around the pen

]]> By: keith72 http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/comment-page-1/#comment-950472 keith72 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:11:24 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8875#comment-950472 @DerekNakluski Statistically a Closer is not a valid idea. Think about it. On a team like New York with significant $'s invested in a closer, how many games/ year does the best closer really make a difference.... 10? By this I mean come in and shut the door on a rally. Most times they are pitching in no pressure situations, opening an inning. Most will, at best, appear in 50 games/ yr. In addition, they will usually not be able to pitch in back to back games. Lastly even the best will blow 5+ games/ year. Think about our glory years. We had Henke and Ward, or Ward and Timlin. Not to mention your also had some "guys" named David Wells (made 14 starts that year) and Pat Hentgen pitching out of the pen in 92. I think this illustrates that you need multiple guys who can pitch in high leverage situations to win in the AL Beast. The real goal should be to get an assembly of 5 high quality arms who can all pitch in high leverage situations. The 6 & 7 spots should be held by a multiple inning guy and lefty specialist. If we look at this model, we have the long guy in Villaneuva and lack the lefty specialist (maybe Tallet?). Litsch, Janssen, Perez & Fransisco all have the stuff to pitch in high leverage situations. If you add a Carreno or Beck or as Mat has indicated , Daniel Webb you then have a bunch of guys who can come in and put out fires in different situations. Instead of putting all of our resources in 1 guy, "the Closer" I would rather spread it around the pen @DerekNakluski Statistically a Closer is not a valid idea. Think about it. On a team like New York with significant $’s invested in a closer, how many games/ year does the best closer really make a difference…. 10? By this I mean come in and shut the door on a rally. Most times they are pitching in no pressure situations, opening an inning. Most will, at best, appear in 50 games/ yr. In addition, they will usually not be able to pitch in back to back games. Lastly even the best will blow 5+ games/ year.

Think about our glory years. We had Henke and Ward, or Ward and Timlin. Not to mention your also had some “guys” named David Wells (made 14 starts that year) and Pat Hentgen pitching out of the pen in 92. I think this illustrates that you need multiple guys who can pitch in high leverage situations to win in the AL Beast.

The real goal should be to get an assembly of 5 high quality arms who can all pitch in high leverage situations. The 6 & 7 spots should be held by a multiple inning guy and lefty specialist. If we look at this model, we have the long guy in Villaneuva and lack the lefty specialist (maybe Tallet?). Litsch, Janssen, Perez & Fransisco all have the stuff to pitch in high leverage situations. If you add a Carreno or Beck or as Mat has indicated , Daniel Webb you then have a bunch of guys who can come in and put out fires in different situations.

Instead of putting all of our resources in 1 guy, “the Closer” I would rather spread it around the pen

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/comment-page-1/#comment-4804 JaysJournal Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:30:43 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8875#comment-4804 @Moondog It'll be interesting to see if Joel Carreno can shut guys down while working out of the pen and whether or not the Jays would be willing to try him in that role in 2012. @Moondog It’ll be interesting to see if Joel Carreno can shut guys down while working out of the pen and whether or not the Jays would be willing to try him in that role in 2012.

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/comment-page-1/#comment-950471 JaysJournal Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:30:43 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8875#comment-950471 @Moondog It'll be interesting to see if Joel Carreno can shut guys down while working out of the pen and whether or not the Jays would be willing to try him in that role in 2012. @Moondog It’ll be interesting to see if Joel Carreno can shut guys down while working out of the pen and whether or not the Jays would be willing to try him in that role in 2012.

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/comment-page-1/#comment-4803 JaysJournal Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:29:23 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8875#comment-4803 @DerekNakluski Agreed. And I'd like to point out that sometimes it's best for pitchers to get their feet wet in the pen and allowing the process to take shape from there. If they make sense for the rotation thereafter, in the Justin Masterson kind of way, they can always make their way back into a starting role. There's nothing wrong with getting extra seasoning and MLB experience in the pen. @DerekNakluski Agreed. And I’d like to point out that sometimes it’s best for pitchers to get their feet wet in the pen and allowing the process to take shape from there. If they make sense for the rotation thereafter, in the Justin Masterson kind of way, they can always make their way back into a starting role. There’s nothing wrong with getting extra seasoning and MLB experience in the pen.

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/comment-page-1/#comment-950470 JaysJournal Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:29:23 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8875#comment-950470 @DerekNakluski Agreed. And I'd like to point out that sometimes it's best for pitchers to get their feet wet in the pen and allowing the process to take shape from there. If they make sense for the rotation thereafter, in the Justin Masterson kind of way, they can always make their way back into a starting role. There's nothing wrong with getting extra seasoning and MLB experience in the pen. @DerekNakluski Agreed. And I’d like to point out that sometimes it’s best for pitchers to get their feet wet in the pen and allowing the process to take shape from there. If they make sense for the rotation thereafter, in the Justin Masterson kind of way, they can always make their way back into a starting role. There’s nothing wrong with getting extra seasoning and MLB experience in the pen.

]]> By: Baseball Blogs Weigh In: Thome, Draft, Angels | Forex News http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/comment-page-1/#comment-4802 Baseball Blogs Weigh In: Thome, Draft, Angels | Forex News Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:05:48 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8875#comment-4802 [...] Jays Journal thinks Jesse Litsch could be long-term bullpen option for the Blue Jays. [...] [...] Jays Journal thinks Jesse Litsch could be long-term bullpen option for the Blue Jays. [...]

]]> By: Moondog http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/comment-page-1/#comment-4798 Moondog Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:02:57 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8875#comment-4798 Unless Dustin can close next year people we need an import! Jesse and Jensen would be fixes to me. Big fan of both of them but if we are to actaully contend we need a scary arm. Jesse/Jensen/Franky all great 7 and 8th inning guys. I think we need a LF specialist unless Perez can workout. I like what AA has done with pitchers and fielders now its time to put some attention to the BP, cheap (compared to the big FA's) options havent worked out. Pumped to see McGowan in september, hopefully he stays healthy! Unless Dustin can close next year people we need an import! Jesse and Jensen would be fixes to me. Big fan of both of them but if we are to actaully contend we need a scary arm. Jesse/Jensen/Franky all great 7 and 8th inning guys. I think we need a LF specialist unless Perez can workout. I like what AA has done with pitchers and fielders now its time to put some attention to the BP, cheap (compared to the big FA’s) options havent worked out.

Pumped to see McGowan in september, hopefully he stays healthy!

]]> By: Moondog http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/comment-page-1/#comment-950467 Moondog Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:02:57 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8875#comment-950467 Unless Dustin can close next year people we need an import! Jesse and Jensen would be fixes to me. Big fan of both of them but if we are to actaully contend we need a scary arm. Jesse/Jensen/Franky all great 7 and 8th inning guys. I think we need a LF specialist unless Perez can workout. I like what AA has done with pitchers and fielders now its time to put some attention to the BP, cheap (compared to the big FA's) options havent worked out. Pumped to see McGowan in september, hopefully he stays healthy! Unless Dustin can close next year people we need an import! Jesse and Jensen would be fixes to me. Big fan of both of them but if we are to actaully contend we need a scary arm. Jesse/Jensen/Franky all great 7 and 8th inning guys. I think we need a LF specialist unless Perez can workout. I like what AA has done with pitchers and fielders now its time to put some attention to the BP, cheap (compared to the big FA’s) options havent worked out.

Pumped to see McGowan in september, hopefully he stays healthy!

]]> By: DerekNakluski http://jaysjournal.com/2011/08/18/jays-pen-topics-jesse-litsch-a-long-term-option/comment-page-1/#comment-4797 DerekNakluski Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:27:52 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8875#comment-4797 @keith72 Closer over rated, have you watched the Jays this year how many games have they blown? If the Jays want to be a contender the bullpen has to be better. There are a few guys I like, but I'd like to see a shut down closer weather it be Jesse or one of the many young starters looking to play in the show, the way I see it we'll have two spots open for starters so some of the young pitchers will need to transform to the bullpen! @keith72 Closer over rated, have you watched the Jays this year how many games have they blown? If the Jays want to be a contender the bullpen has to be better. There are a few guys I like, but I’d like to see a shut down closer weather it be Jesse or one of the many young starters looking to play in the show, the way I see it we’ll have two spots open for starters so some of the young pitchers will need to transform to the bullpen!

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