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		<title>By: jsmith2011</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, can i get some help understanding why Travis is back down? I simply do not understand. I would rather see him play everyday..or at least vs. righties than EE...he and thames can take turns in LF and DH. Travis has a much brighter future than EE and the time to get these guys playing together is now in my opinion.  Anyone have other thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, can i get some help understanding why Travis is back down? I simply do not understand. I would rather see him play everyday..or at least vs. righties than EE&#8230;he and thames can take turns in LF and DH. Travis has a much brighter future than EE and the time to get these guys playing together is now in my opinion.  Anyone have other thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: jsmith2011</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 22:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why so harsh on snider??? i don&#039;t get it. hill is allowed to suck for 2 straight years...and twice sent down this year...he is ok vs. righties. just sit him vs. lefties for now and let him work it out in MLB he&#039;s too important. and he came up hitting lights out. so he hit another snag....don&#039;t start yo-yoing this guy pleeeeeaaaaasssee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why so harsh on snider??? i don&#8217;t get it. hill is allowed to suck for 2 straight years&#8230;and twice sent down this year&#8230;he is ok vs. righties. just sit him vs. lefties for now and let him work it out in MLB he&#8217;s too important. and he came up hitting lights out. so he hit another snag&#8230;.don&#8217;t start yo-yoing this guy pleeeeeaaaaasssee</p>
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		<title>By: He's Done it Again!</title>
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		<dc:creator>He's Done it Again!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 01:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JaysJournal Totally agree about Yunel and Hechavarria manning the middle of the diamond. I have seen/heard laughable cries for Jose to man 2nd base. Even thoughts of Lawrie manning 2nd are a bit out there. What do you think is the best scenario for Toronto going forward at 2nd base. I personally would flirt with signing Hill to a much more reasonable deal, perhaps 1 or 2 years. He is a great club house guy, above average D.... what do you foresee happening at that position in the next 1.5 seasons?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JaysJournal Totally agree about Yunel and Hechavarria manning the middle of the diamond. I have seen/heard laughable cries for Jose to man 2nd base. Even thoughts of Lawrie manning 2nd are a bit out there. What do you think is the best scenario for Toronto going forward at 2nd base. I personally would flirt with signing Hill to a much more reasonable deal, perhaps 1 or 2 years. He is a great club house guy, above average D&#8230;. what do you foresee happening at that position in the next 1.5 seasons?</p>
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		<title>By: emerys2677</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 00:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AA has done a great job, stocking the farm with outstanding talent, next year these guys are going to be a blast to watch.  For the rest of this year, once Lawrie is up i see the line up a little bit differently then you do,  Escobar (28) – Rasmus (24) – Bautista (30) – Lind (28) – Themes (24)  -  Snider (23)  – Hill (29) – Lawrie (21) - Arencibia (25)  unfortunately for Edwin he does not fit long term, and the AB&#039;s need to go to the kids so we can figure out what we are doing with them. Ultimately i see Lawrie hitting 6th between snider and themes. And with the way JP is hitting out of the 9 hole i say leave him in there.  For next year, pick up a veteran DH and a 2-3 veteran pitcher, and give Joel Carreno a shot at the closer role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AA has done a great job, stocking the farm with outstanding talent, next year these guys are going to be a blast to watch.  For the rest of this year, once Lawrie is up i see the line up a little bit differently then you do,  Escobar (28) – Rasmus (24) – Bautista (30) – Lind (28) – Themes (24)  &#8211;  Snider (23)  – Hill (29) – Lawrie (21) &#8211; Arencibia (25)  unfortunately for Edwin he does not fit long term, and the AB&#8217;s need to go to the kids so we can figure out what we are doing with them. Ultimately i see Lawrie hitting 6th between snider and themes. And with the way JP is hitting out of the 9 hole i say leave him in there.  For next year, pick up a veteran DH and a 2-3 veteran pitcher, and give Joel Carreno a shot at the closer role.</p>
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		<title>By: JaysJournal</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ryanwjsmyth I do agree that Teahen deserves a shot somewhere....but, if it comes at the cost of playing time for Snider, Thames, or Lawrie (who he would block), I wouldn&#039;t be a fan of it. If the Jays trade Edwin and want to give Teahen a shot as the DH part time, sure, why not?

 

Interesting thought about Teahen: he can play 1B, 3B, and LF...does that give him a shot at a utility role? It&#039;s possible, as he could be used to spell Lind and Lawrie while also getting ABs off-the-bench. Teahen is not a horrible player by any means, he just isn&#039;t a starter, so that may be the best role for him while with the Jays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ryanwjsmyth I do agree that Teahen deserves a shot somewhere&#8230;.but, if it comes at the cost of playing time for Snider, Thames, or Lawrie (who he would block), I wouldn&#8217;t be a fan of it. If the Jays trade Edwin and want to give Teahen a shot as the DH part time, sure, why not?</p>
<p>Interesting thought about Teahen: he can play 1B, 3B, and LF&#8230;does that give him a shot at a utility role? It&#8217;s possible, as he could be used to spell Lind and Lawrie while also getting ABs off-the-bench. Teahen is not a horrible player by any means, he just isn&#8217;t a starter, so that may be the best role for him while with the Jays.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanwjsmyth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jays haven&#039;t even given Teahen a chance. He once was the cleanup hitter for the Royals and is only 29 years old. I think before anything, you need to give Teahen, a Canadien citizen at the very least a chance to get a few at bats to see what he can do.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jays haven&#8217;t even given Teahen a chance. He once was the cleanup hitter for the Royals and is only 29 years old. I think before anything, you need to give Teahen, a Canadien citizen at the very least a chance to get a few at bats to see what he can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mylegacy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JaysJournal@MattProk

 

Mat - welcome back.

 

I have the feeling that AA has more patience than we fans do. He&#039;s looking at our &quot;near ready&quot; STARTING pitching depth and seeing: Hutchison (quickly becoming the top pitching prospect), Alvarez (a near ready elite prospect), Molina (a WOW prospect being lengthened out to be a starter), McGuire (a better than solid, near elite stud), Carreno (gets TONS of SO&#039;s and gives up very few hits) - AND - the lower levels with at least 5 to 10 more truly spectacular starting prospects.

 

When he sees that Top Five - all who could at least challenge for a look-see in the Bigs in 2012 - I think he&#039;s not too inclined to go nuts and jump into the free agent or trade starter market with both feet. I suspect he can live with the fact that the position players are coming together a year before the pitchers do. Can we be as patient? Can AA afford for our impatience to turn to anger if it&#039;s clear we&#039;re just a pitcher or two from SERIOUS contention? OR Will he sign one of the two big FA Bats and trade a couple of the TOP FIVE and a few of the lower levels guys for two pitching horses ready for prime time in 2012?

 

I suspect most fans would prefer the latter. I suspect AA REALLY wants to build this &quot;perennial contender&quot; the right way (as he sees the right way) and he sees we are literally only a few months of baseball away from at least Alvarez and McGuire being ready to at least get a sniff of the Bigs by - say - June(ish) 2012.

 

When I hired AA (OK - I admit I allowed others to act as my proxy in that hiring) I was - AM - willing to have the patience to see HIS dream unfold. I still am. I think however - I&#039;m in the minority.

 

Pity.</description>
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<p>Mat &#8211; welcome back.</p>
<p>I have the feeling that AA has more patience than we fans do. He&#8217;s looking at our &#8220;near ready&#8221; STARTING pitching depth and seeing: Hutchison (quickly becoming the top pitching prospect), Alvarez (a near ready elite prospect), Molina (a WOW prospect being lengthened out to be a starter), McGuire (a better than solid, near elite stud), Carreno (gets TONS of SO&#8217;s and gives up very few hits) &#8211; AND &#8211; the lower levels with at least 5 to 10 more truly spectacular starting prospects.</p>
<p>When he sees that Top Five &#8211; all who could at least challenge for a look-see in the Bigs in 2012 &#8211; I think he&#8217;s not too inclined to go nuts and jump into the free agent or trade starter market with both feet. I suspect he can live with the fact that the position players are coming together a year before the pitchers do. Can we be as patient? Can AA afford for our impatience to turn to anger if it&#8217;s clear we&#8217;re just a pitcher or two from SERIOUS contention? OR Will he sign one of the two big FA Bats and trade a couple of the TOP FIVE and a few of the lower levels guys for two pitching horses ready for prime time in 2012?</p>
<p>I suspect most fans would prefer the latter. I suspect AA REALLY wants to build this &#8220;perennial contender&#8221; the right way (as he sees the right way) and he sees we are literally only a few months of baseball away from at least Alvarez and McGuire being ready to at least get a sniff of the Bigs by &#8211; say &#8211; June(ish) 2012.</p>
<p>When I hired AA (OK &#8211; I admit I allowed others to act as my proxy in that hiring) I was &#8211; AM &#8211; willing to have the patience to see HIS dream unfold. I still am. I think however &#8211; I&#8217;m in the minority.</p>
<p>Pity.</p>
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		<title>By: DerekNakluski</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making the playoffs and winning in the playoffs comes down to starting pitching and I think we have 3 guys right now that can get us there Ricky is a true Ace if you watched the Jays the last week it&#039;s the Starters that have shined. Morrow is coming to form after a not great first half and Cecil looks like the 15 game winner from last year with a few great starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making the playoffs and winning in the playoffs comes down to starting pitching and I think we have 3 guys right now that can get us there Ricky is a true Ace if you watched the Jays the last week it&#8217;s the Starters that have shined. Morrow is coming to form after a not great first half and Cecil looks like the 15 game winner from last year with a few great starts.</p>
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		<title>By: JaysJournal</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MattProk Thanks for the comment Matt. I&#039;m not sure Brandon Webb will ever be effective again and would rather see the Jays add someone like Chris Carpenter instead. As you said, though, it&#039;s more likely that AA will use some of his assets this off-season to acquire a better option. Personally, I&#039;d love to see him hook up with the Braves again and nab 1 of their top guys. Also, if the Brewers don&#039;t win it this year and lose Fielder in FA, guys like Yovani Gallardo, Zach Greinke, and Shaun Marcum will likely become &quot;more available&quot;.

We&#039;ll see, but for now, I actually like Romero and Morrow at the top. I also love Henderson Alvarez and his potential to be a very strong #3. Add in those that you mention above, and you&#039;ve got a fairly good amount of rotation options. The biggest question mark for me right now is whether or not Joel Carreno will remain a starting option, or a closing option. It&#039;s a question because with Kyle Drabek, Brett Cecil, and likely Deck McGuire vying for the #4-5 spots in 2012, the Jays will need to make some tough decisions. 

I&#039;d love to see Reyes signed at a reasonable rate, but truthfully, if you take away his legs - which happens as players age - he simply isn&#039;t going to be worth what he&#039;ll get paid this off-season. He may be worth it for 1-2 years, but not thereafter. A more likely scenario has Yunel shifting to 2B and Hechavarria (and his top 3 SS defensive abilities) playing SS while hitting 9th. That will likely happen mid-2012 or in 2013, so whatever AA does between now and then will be interesting to see. He may keep Hill around just in case....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MattProk Thanks for the comment Matt. I&#8217;m not sure Brandon Webb will ever be effective again and would rather see the Jays add someone like Chris Carpenter instead. As you said, though, it&#8217;s more likely that AA will use some of his assets this off-season to acquire a better option. Personally, I&#8217;d love to see him hook up with the Braves again and nab 1 of their top guys. Also, if the Brewers don&#8217;t win it this year and lose Fielder in FA, guys like Yovani Gallardo, Zach Greinke, and Shaun Marcum will likely become &#8220;more available&#8221;.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see, but for now, I actually like Romero and Morrow at the top. I also love Henderson Alvarez and his potential to be a very strong #3. Add in those that you mention above, and you&#8217;ve got a fairly good amount of rotation options. The biggest question mark for me right now is whether or not Joel Carreno will remain a starting option, or a closing option. It&#8217;s a question because with Kyle Drabek, Brett Cecil, and likely Deck McGuire vying for the #4-5 spots in 2012, the Jays will need to make some tough decisions. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see Reyes signed at a reasonable rate, but truthfully, if you take away his legs &#8211; which happens as players age &#8211; he simply isn&#8217;t going to be worth what he&#8217;ll get paid this off-season. He may be worth it for 1-2 years, but not thereafter. A more likely scenario has Yunel shifting to 2B and Hechavarria (and his top 3 SS defensive abilities) playing SS while hitting 9th. That will likely happen mid-2012 or in 2013, so whatever AA does between now and then will be interesting to see. He may keep Hill around just in case&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MattProk</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to you ha ve you back Mat, I say we still have question marks still in:

-LF: Boils down to Thames/Snider; Prospects you mentioned like Loewen, Sierra also liable to break out. Loewen is an exceptional athlete.

-CF: Rasmus has proven nothing, nor is he any sort of lock. Admit it, we&#039;re just relieved from being saved watching the previous horror shows in CF. We&#039;re pretty thin here if Rasmus fails, as Gose will not be ready next year. Here&#039;s to hoping he develops nicely.

-3B: Yes, i believe in Brett Lawrie. No, i&#039;m no talent scout. But everything statistical and written about him makes me believe he&#039;s going to be an elite 3B; his defense will actually be a bright spot too. If he does fail, we do have our MVP Joey Bats ready to step into 3B, allowing one of our other bright young prospects to man what would be a very green outfield.

-2B: Past Aaron hill, internally it will be one of Escobar or Hechavarria. There are no other internal options, so this position is primed for free agency or trade. AA loves the middle of the diamond, so i believe this will be his last great position player acquisition. Maybe Jose Reyes? Hanley Ramirez?

-Starting Pitching: Not good. Past Ricky Romero, there&#039;s no sure thing. And that&#039;s bad. Like Lawrie, Morrow seems like a guy who will pan out. Or at the very least be our Ted Lilly. I think he will be our #3-4 on our playoff team. Brett Cecil, spent time in AAA this season after velocity (not really)/location (yes) issues. He&#039;s pitched the AL East well before, so i would slot him into the #4-5. Acquiring Ubaldo Jiminez would have allowed us a decent one-two punch, although i do wish we: had acquired Greinke; or will acquire a STUD pitcher, ala Halladay/Lee/Sabathia.

-Relief Pitching: Obviously. Only a closer is needed. Emphasis added. Shouldn&#039;t be too hard to find. With money and our bevy of young pitching, our bullpen isn&#039;t a sore spot really. Finally, our playoff line-up next year should look something like:

1. Reyes (2B)

2. Escobar (SS)

3. Lind (1B)

4. Bautista (RF)

5. Rasmus (CF)

6. Snider (DH)

7. Lawrie (3B)

8. Arencibia (C)

9. Thames (LF)

Rotation:

1. Ricky Romero

2. Brandon Webb

3. Brendan Morrow

4. Brett Cecil

5. Kyle Drabek Closer: Jonathan Papelbon (thank you John Farrel)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to you ha ve you back Mat, I say we still have question marks still in:</p>
<p>-LF: Boils down to Thames/Snider; Prospects you mentioned like Loewen, Sierra also liable to break out. Loewen is an exceptional athlete.</p>
<p>-CF: Rasmus has proven nothing, nor is he any sort of lock. Admit it, we&#8217;re just relieved from being saved watching the previous horror shows in CF. We&#8217;re pretty thin here if Rasmus fails, as Gose will not be ready next year. Here&#8217;s to hoping he develops nicely.</p>
<p>-3B: Yes, i believe in Brett Lawrie. No, i&#8217;m no talent scout. But everything statistical and written about him makes me believe he&#8217;s going to be an elite 3B; his defense will actually be a bright spot too. If he does fail, we do have our MVP Joey Bats ready to step into 3B, allowing one of our other bright young prospects to man what would be a very green outfield.</p>
<p>-2B: Past Aaron hill, internally it will be one of Escobar or Hechavarria. There are no other internal options, so this position is primed for free agency or trade. AA loves the middle of the diamond, so i believe this will be his last great position player acquisition. Maybe Jose Reyes? Hanley Ramirez?</p>
<p>-Starting Pitching: Not good. Past Ricky Romero, there&#8217;s no sure thing. And that&#8217;s bad. Like Lawrie, Morrow seems like a guy who will pan out. Or at the very least be our Ted Lilly. I think he will be our #3-4 on our playoff team. Brett Cecil, spent time in AAA this season after velocity (not really)/location (yes) issues. He&#8217;s pitched the AL East well before, so i would slot him into the #4-5. Acquiring Ubaldo Jiminez would have allowed us a decent one-two punch, although i do wish we: had acquired Greinke; or will acquire a STUD pitcher, ala Halladay/Lee/Sabathia.</p>
<p>-Relief Pitching: Obviously. Only a closer is needed. Emphasis added. Shouldn&#8217;t be too hard to find. With money and our bevy of young pitching, our bullpen isn&#8217;t a sore spot really. Finally, our playoff line-up next year should look something like:</p>
<p>1. Reyes (2B)</p>
<p>2. Escobar (SS)</p>
<p>3. Lind (1B)</p>
<p>4. Bautista (RF)</p>
<p>5. Rasmus (CF)</p>
<p>6. Snider (DH)</p>
<p>7. Lawrie (3B)</p>
<p>8. Arencibia (C)</p>
<p>9. Thames (LF)</p>
<p>Rotation:</p>
<p>1. Ricky Romero</p>
<p>2. Brandon Webb</p>
<p>3. Brendan Morrow</p>
<p>4. Brett Cecil</p>
<p>5. Kyle Drabek Closer: Jonathan Papelbon (thank you John Farrel)</p>
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