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		<title>By: admchestermynutz</title>
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		<dc:creator>admchestermynutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fleeced,  .191 as a Jay

 

&quot;Yet when asked about the focus of his daily drills, Rasmus replied: “I’m not working on anything right now.”

 

&quot;He said he is eager for the season to end, for the pressure of high  expectations to fade, for a few months away from baseball to dissolve  the bitter taste of his final days in St. Louis.&quot;

 

“I feel like I’ve played the outfield pretty good but my hitting’s been  terrible,” he said. “But I wasn’t hitting good before I got here, so I  didn’t really put too much expectation on myself to do good.”  Rasmus

 

&quot;So I’m just going out there and playing and just riding it out,  and then work on it in the off-season.” Rasmus

 

“Last off-season I didn’t do anything baseball-wise,” he said. “I didn’t  really pick up a bat ’til probably a week, two weeks before spring  training.&quot;  Rasmus

 

And you called me bitter. 

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<p>&#8220;Yet when asked about the focus of his daily drills, Rasmus replied: “I’m not working on anything right now.”</p>
<p>&#8220;He said he is eager for the season to end, for the pressure of high  expectations to fade, for a few months away from baseball to dissolve  the bitter taste of his final days in St. Louis.&#8221;</p>
<p>“I feel like I’ve played the outfield pretty good but my hitting’s been  terrible,” he said. “But I wasn’t hitting good before I got here, so I  didn’t really put too much expectation on myself to do good.”  Rasmus</p>
<p>&#8220;So I’m just going out there and playing and just riding it out,  and then work on it in the off-season.” Rasmus</p>
<p>“Last off-season I didn’t do anything baseball-wise,” he said. “I didn’t  really pick up a bat ’til probably a week, two weeks before spring  training.&#8221;  Rasmus</p>
<p>And you called me bitter. </p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 00:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a whole lot of commenting on who loses playing time and who gains it. In my mind, the more competition, the better. Let the cream come to the top, and let John Farrell decide who gets to play based on their being the hottest bat. Competition is exactly what was lacking under JP Ricciardi and was one of the reasons players like Alex Rios were allowed to get lazy. Nobody threatened his starting role, so why play at 100% every day?

 

I love the competition AA is creating in Toronto. Force Snider and Thames to hammer the ball to earn their long-term roles with the club. Force Colby Rasmus to play to his potential or replace him in the future with Anthony Gose. As they play to keep their spots, all of these players also boost their trade values, which in turn gives AA lots of ammo to use on the market. 

 

That, my friends, is the recipe of success in the AL East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a whole lot of commenting on who loses playing time and who gains it. In my mind, the more competition, the better. Let the cream come to the top, and let John Farrell decide who gets to play based on their being the hottest bat. Competition is exactly what was lacking under JP Ricciardi and was one of the reasons players like Alex Rios were allowed to get lazy. Nobody threatened his starting role, so why play at 100% every day?</p>
<p>I love the competition AA is creating in Toronto. Force Snider and Thames to hammer the ball to earn their long-term roles with the club. Force Colby Rasmus to play to his potential or replace him in the future with Anthony Gose. As they play to keep their spots, all of these players also boost their trade values, which in turn gives AA lots of ammo to use on the market. </p>
<p>That, my friends, is the recipe of success in the AL East.</p>
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		<title>By: admchestermynutz</title>
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		<dc:creator>admchestermynutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitter?  Bitter about baseball?  To fleece is to obtain via a swindle.   I don&#039;t think anyone was swindled in this deal.  

 

What am I to let go?  Chatting about baseball.  I hope the best for Rasmus and Toronto.  He seems to be a good kid and all. His ability to succeed is not proven.  Hence the huge upside.

 

&quot;Rasmus is the worst defensive player I have ever witnessed starting in center fielder for the St. Louis Cardinals.&quot;  I&#039;ve witnessed McBride, Mcgee, Van Slyke, Lankford, Edmonds, Ankiel and Rasmus as starting every day center fielders. 

 

Just an observation.  I don&#039;t think it a stretch to say Rasmus is the worst in class. 

 

Have you actual witnessed Rasmus play outfield?  By the end of this season you will witness him stop running as he approaches warning track on every ball over his head.  He then lets ball hit bottom of wall and chase it down.  I have never witnessed him touch the wall more or less climb it.

 

He would not go back to AAA , lose starting position and had four outfielders clearly outperforming him on the team.  He had to go.  STL put-up for sale sign and Toronto&#039;s offer, nothing to get excited over, but was better than nothing because he was no longer a top prospect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitter?  Bitter about baseball?  To fleece is to obtain via a swindle.   I don&#8217;t think anyone was swindled in this deal.  </p>
<p>What am I to let go?  Chatting about baseball.  I hope the best for Rasmus and Toronto.  He seems to be a good kid and all. His ability to succeed is not proven.  Hence the huge upside.</p>
<p>&#8220;Rasmus is the worst defensive player I have ever witnessed starting in center fielder for the St. Louis Cardinals.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve witnessed McBride, Mcgee, Van Slyke, Lankford, Edmonds, Ankiel and Rasmus as starting every day center fielders. </p>
<p>Just an observation.  I don&#8217;t think it a stretch to say Rasmus is the worst in class. </p>
<p>Have you actual witnessed Rasmus play outfield?  By the end of this season you will witness him stop running as he approaches warning track on every ball over his head.  He then lets ball hit bottom of wall and chase it down.  I have never witnessed him touch the wall more or less climb it.</p>
<p>He would not go back to AAA , lose starting position and had four outfielders clearly outperforming him on the team.  He had to go.  STL put-up for sale sign and Toronto&#8217;s offer, nothing to get excited over, but was better than nothing because he was no longer a top prospect.</p>
<p>@MattProk</p>
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		<title>By: DerekNakluski</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerekNakluski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MattProk One I don&#039;t even really like hockey and Sinders got 10-15 RBI&#039;s since he came back and I wouldn&#039;t compare Colby to Sizemore. all I&#039;m saying is we have two young outfeilders that should get there playing time Rasmus has a huge upside, but so do Sinder and Thames and when Loewen gets a look in Sept. he will do well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MattProk One I don&#8217;t even really like hockey and Sinders got 10-15 RBI&#8217;s since he came back and I wouldn&#8217;t compare Colby to Sizemore. all I&#8217;m saying is we have two young outfeilders that should get there playing time Rasmus has a huge upside, but so do Sinder and Thames and when Loewen gets a look in Sept. he will do well.</p>
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		<title>By: MattProk</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattProk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DerekNakluski Are you a leafs fan too? Because you&#039;re oddly irrational. You think Snider has earned more at-bats than Colby? We should have not traded for Rasmus/give him less at-bats for the sake of seeing what we have with Adam Loewen? Are you drunk? Before you speak again, maybe you should actually find out how good of a player Colby Rasmus is. Five-tool player, that plays centre. Think Grady Sizemore. And yet you want the perpetually underwhelming Travis Snider getting his licks in. If you see my earliest post, i also do not want this trade to affect Thames adversely, but seriously, when you have an opportunity to grab an elite/young CF, there are no Eric Thames in the world that would convince me otherwise.PS, your post is the typical &quot;this is what I think the Jays should do and i&#039;ll be damned if it has real world implications or real-world chances&quot;. You&#039;re complaining about Mark Teahan&#039;s $7 million dollars?! Get serious, Wells was owed like $80 million or something. Jesus Go Leafs Go</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DerekNakluski Are you a leafs fan too? Because you&#8217;re oddly irrational. You think Snider has earned more at-bats than Colby? We should have not traded for Rasmus/give him less at-bats for the sake of seeing what we have with Adam Loewen? Are you drunk? Before you speak again, maybe you should actually find out how good of a player Colby Rasmus is. Five-tool player, that plays centre. Think Grady Sizemore. And yet you want the perpetually underwhelming Travis Snider getting his licks in. If you see my earliest post, i also do not want this trade to affect Thames adversely, but seriously, when you have an opportunity to grab an elite/young CF, there are no Eric Thames in the world that would convince me otherwise.PS, your post is the typical &#8220;this is what I think the Jays should do and i&#8217;ll be damned if it has real world implications or real-world chances&#8221;. You&#8217;re complaining about Mark Teahan&#8217;s $7 million dollars?! Get serious, Wells was owed like $80 million or something. Jesus Go Leafs Go</p>
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		<title>By: MattProk</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattProk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@admchestermynutz Talk about a bitter Cards fan in denial. Just let it go bud - you lost a top prospect with huge upside and proven ability to succeed for zippo/relievers. What can&#039;t you understand about that being a fleece?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@admchestermynutz Talk about a bitter Cards fan in denial. Just let it go bud &#8211; you lost a top prospect with huge upside and proven ability to succeed for zippo/relievers. What can&#8217;t you understand about that being a fleece?</p>
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		<title>By: MattProk</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattProk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 04:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL @ Henderson Alvarez AND Drew Hutchinson being in our rotation. I wouldn&#039;t poke fun at you if you wrote this might happen, but how can you believe that they would go with three GREEN pitchers next year. What happens to Brett Cecil? Jesse Litsch? Carlos Villanueva? Free Agents? Trades? Why would we go into a season with two rookies and Drabek?Gose is so far away it doesn&#039;t even make sense to slot him in - he will decide for us. Rasmus is 24, and i only hope that he doesn&#039;t take away from Thames&#039; playing time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL @ Henderson Alvarez AND Drew Hutchinson being in our rotation. I wouldn&#8217;t poke fun at you if you wrote this might happen, but how can you believe that they would go with three GREEN pitchers next year. What happens to Brett Cecil? Jesse Litsch? Carlos Villanueva? Free Agents? Trades? Why would we go into a season with two rookies and Drabek?Gose is so far away it doesn&#8217;t even make sense to slot him in &#8211; he will decide for us. Rasmus is 24, and i only hope that he doesn&#8217;t take away from Thames&#8217; playing time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mylegacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mylegacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going forward...

 

Gose will be our CFer...but not for at least two or three years. Rasmus will then be either a footnote or a stud corner outfielder - either on our team or another team after AA has fleeced another GM. Colby - like Snider - is an exceptional prospect and IF he(they) make it (many don&#039;t) we&#039;ll be LOADED. IF Colby DOESN&#039;T make it - his upside is high enough, and our depth is so exciting and deep, that what we&#039;ve given in this trade is meaningless.

 

As to Thames - a guy who before his injury at Uni was expected to be a very high draft choice - he too is an exceptional prospect and will part of a Bautista, Snider, Thames ROTATION (of some sort) between LF, RF and DH. The loser will be EE.

 

When Lawrie comes up next week or the week after - offensively and defensively the pieces will be in place that give us EIGHT exceptionally talented young(ish) position players/bats.

 

AA will then be able to turn his genius to the pitching. Not counting any of the pitchers on the team at present we&#039;ve the following near ready (by mid-2012) EXCEPTIONAL prospects: Alvarez, Hutchison, McGuire, Drabek, Molina, Carreno. I really don&#039;t think most &quot;casual&quot; fans have any idea just how much high end talent those 6 guys possess. In addition - further away there are at least another 6 just a sgood - or better. The question AA will have to answer is shoud he trade two or three of them for one serious proven star starter or wait for their arrival. Personally - I&#039;d WAIT - by this time next year our rotation will be Morrow, Romero, Alvarez, Hutchison and either McGowan or Drabek.

 

At that point we will have a &quot;contending&quot; offense, defense and pitching. We are so very close to repeating what the team did from the early 1980&#039;s to the early 1990&#039;s. This is a seriously good team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going forward&#8230;</p>
<p>Gose will be our CFer&#8230;but not for at least two or three years. Rasmus will then be either a footnote or a stud corner outfielder &#8211; either on our team or another team after AA has fleeced another GM. Colby &#8211; like Snider &#8211; is an exceptional prospect and IF he(they) make it (many don&#8217;t) we&#8217;ll be LOADED. IF Colby DOESN&#8217;T make it &#8211; his upside is high enough, and our depth is so exciting and deep, that what we&#8217;ve given in this trade is meaningless.</p>
<p>As to Thames &#8211; a guy who before his injury at Uni was expected to be a very high draft choice &#8211; he too is an exceptional prospect and will part of a Bautista, Snider, Thames ROTATION (of some sort) between LF, RF and DH. The loser will be EE.</p>
<p>When Lawrie comes up next week or the week after &#8211; offensively and defensively the pieces will be in place that give us EIGHT exceptionally talented young(ish) position players/bats.</p>
<p>AA will then be able to turn his genius to the pitching. Not counting any of the pitchers on the team at present we&#8217;ve the following near ready (by mid-2012) EXCEPTIONAL prospects: Alvarez, Hutchison, McGuire, Drabek, Molina, Carreno. I really don&#8217;t think most &#8220;casual&#8221; fans have any idea just how much high end talent those 6 guys possess. In addition &#8211; further away there are at least another 6 just a sgood &#8211; or better. The question AA will have to answer is shoud he trade two or three of them for one serious proven star starter or wait for their arrival. Personally &#8211; I&#8217;d WAIT &#8211; by this time next year our rotation will be Morrow, Romero, Alvarez, Hutchison and either McGowan or Drabek.</p>
<p>At that point we will have a &#8220;contending&#8221; offense, defense and pitching. We are so very close to repeating what the team did from the early 1980&#8242;s to the early 1990&#8242;s. This is a seriously good team.</p>
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		<title>By: admchestermynutz</title>
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		<dc:creator>admchestermynutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome column.  Rasmus became  a fourth outfielder because every other outfielder with the Cardinals was better in all facets of the game. 

 

Rasmus is the worst defensive player I have ever witnessed starting in center fielder for the St. Louis Cardinals.  His arm is pathetic.   I understand your enthusiasm for your team, but if you call trading a fourth outfielder for a few relievers and a starter a fleecing..............

 

Why was the Blue Jay/White Sox deal the best the Cardinals could get for Rasmus?  Because anyone who actually watched Rasmus play for the past few years wouldn&#039;t give anything for him.  Value for value is not mind-bloggling,   Trading our crap for your crap and calling it a fleecing, that is mind boggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome column.  Rasmus became  a fourth outfielder because every other outfielder with the Cardinals was better in all facets of the game. </p>
<p>Rasmus is the worst defensive player I have ever witnessed starting in center fielder for the St. Louis Cardinals.  His arm is pathetic.   I understand your enthusiasm for your team, but if you call trading a fourth outfielder for a few relievers and a starter a fleecing&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Why was the Blue Jay/White Sox deal the best the Cardinals could get for Rasmus?  Because anyone who actually watched Rasmus play for the past few years wouldn&#8217;t give anything for him.  Value for value is not mind-bloggling,   Trading our crap for your crap and calling it a fleecing, that is mind boggling.</p>
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		<title>By: DerekNakluski</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerekNakluski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok AA we don&#039;t need any more outfielders, I would rather see Thames and Sinder getting at bats over EE and Colby. I&#039;m sorry Sinder and Thames need to be in the line up everyday and I don&#039;t think Colby has proven to be better then ethier player other then what AA thinks of him. I think if Thames gets the most of the DH AB then it&#039;s ok. I mean EE has double the AB of Thames, but has 3 more HR and 5 more RBI&#039;s. I&#039;m also upset because I wanted to see Adam Lowain get a look he&#039;s killing it in AAA. Then theres Mark Teehen, we worked so hard to get Wells contract gone now we have another useless player under contract for next season. Ok we need starting pitching to compete, IE we have a #1 &amp;2 guy and I think Cecil will be good in the 4-5 hole so we need two more strong pitchers until some of our young guys get there. I think Colby works as long as Thames/Sinder don&#039;t lose at bats that means EE is on the bench. Then the team is much better, if EE is in the lineup and Thames or Sinder sit then I don&#039;t think we improve that much....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok AA we don&#8217;t need any more outfielders, I would rather see Thames and Sinder getting at bats over EE and Colby. I&#8217;m sorry Sinder and Thames need to be in the line up everyday and I don&#8217;t think Colby has proven to be better then ethier player other then what AA thinks of him. I think if Thames gets the most of the DH AB then it&#8217;s ok. I mean EE has double the AB of Thames, but has 3 more HR and 5 more RBI&#8217;s. I&#8217;m also upset because I wanted to see Adam Lowain get a look he&#8217;s killing it in AAA. Then theres Mark Teehen, we worked so hard to get Wells contract gone now we have another useless player under contract for next season. Ok we need starting pitching to compete, IE we have a #1 &#038;2 guy and I think Cecil will be good in the 4-5 hole so we need two more strong pitchers until some of our young guys get there. I think Colby works as long as Thames/Sinder don&#8217;t lose at bats that means EE is on the bench. Then the team is much better, if EE is in the lineup and Thames or Sinder sit then I don&#8217;t think we improve that much&#8230;.</p>
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