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		<title>By: RAWagman</title>
		<link>http://jaysjournal.com/2011/07/15/are-the-jays-playing-hard-ball-with-2011-mydraft-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-950319</link>
		<dc:creator>RAWagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike Rapp All of that is true.

But so what? You know what these guys are demanding, I know it and Alex Anthopoulos definitely knows it. And he knew it when he drafted them. And he will still sign them. In fact, I will buy you a drink if at least two of those three don&#039;t sign. 

The fact is, at the prices these guys want, even if the Jays have already agreed to it (as many rumours state regarding Beede), MLB won&#039;t sign off on the deal until Aug. 14/15.

Look at all the high-ceiling young arms AA drafted last year. remember how many signed hard by the deadline? 

Here are some names of over-slot signings from last year who signed too late to make a debut:

Deck McGuire, Griffin Murphy, Justin Nicolino, San Dyson (other issues there, too, I know), Dickie Joe Thon ($1.5M in the 5th round), Mitchell Taylor, Brandon Mims, Zak Adams, Myles Jaye, Adaric Kelly, Seth Connor.

AA knows, like all other insiders, that the absolute best value for getting elite talent is through the draft. Even if you overpay, it is still way cheaper than getting comparable talent through trades or free agency. He is doing the right thing and by August 15, the Jays organization will be that much stronger for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Rapp All of that is true.</p>
<p>But so what? You know what these guys are demanding, I know it and Alex Anthopoulos definitely knows it. And he knew it when he drafted them. And he will still sign them. In fact, I will buy you a drink if at least two of those three don&#8217;t sign. </p>
<p>The fact is, at the prices these guys want, even if the Jays have already agreed to it (as many rumours state regarding Beede), MLB won&#8217;t sign off on the deal until Aug. 14/15.</p>
<p>Look at all the high-ceiling young arms AA drafted last year. remember how many signed hard by the deadline? </p>
<p>Here are some names of over-slot signings from last year who signed too late to make a debut:</p>
<p>Deck McGuire, Griffin Murphy, Justin Nicolino, San Dyson (other issues there, too, I know), Dickie Joe Thon ($1.5M in the 5th round), Mitchell Taylor, Brandon Mims, Zak Adams, Myles Jaye, Adaric Kelly, Seth Connor.</p>
<p>AA knows, like all other insiders, that the absolute best value for getting elite talent is through the draft. Even if you overpay, it is still way cheaper than getting comparable talent through trades or free agency. He is doing the right thing and by August 15, the Jays organization will be that much stronger for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RAWagman Beede never planned to attend the first summer school session at Vanderbilt. Word is he has enrolled as planned for the second session. Everyone knows what Beede, Comer and Norris are demanding, and everyone knows they won&#039;t sign with Toronto if they don&#039;t get it.

 

All three of these kids are going to a school that will virtually guarantee them that kind of bonus in 30 months. They  will each pitch more, in front of more fans, with better hands on coaching, and get a free college degree if they go to school. It&#039;s not really all that difficult to figure out. Either Toronto will pay these kids $3 mil or more, or they are all three going to college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RAWagman Beede never planned to attend the first summer school session at Vanderbilt. Word is he has enrolled as planned for the second session. Everyone knows what Beede, Comer and Norris are demanding, and everyone knows they won&#8217;t sign with Toronto if they don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>All three of these kids are going to a school that will virtually guarantee them that kind of bonus in 30 months. They  will each pitch more, in front of more fans, with better hands on coaching, and get a free college degree if they go to school. It&#8217;s not really all that difficult to figure out. Either Toronto will pay these kids $3 mil or more, or they are all three going to college.</p>
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		<title>By: RAWagman</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAWagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chewbacca Of course Norris said that. And the Jays knew that going in. They plan on offering him a lot of money. There were three Vanderbilt commits - Beede, Comer and 12th rounder John Norwood. It&#039;s possible that Comer is a fallback option as there has been no info out there.

The high-round guy least likely to sign is probably Andrew Chin who just had TJS and still wants over $1 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chewbacca Of course Norris said that. And the Jays knew that going in. They plan on offering him a lot of money. There were three Vanderbilt commits &#8211; Beede, Comer and 12th rounder John Norwood. It&#8217;s possible that Comer is a fallback option as there has been no info out there.</p>
<p>The high-round guy least likely to sign is probably Andrew Chin who just had TJS and still wants over $1 million.</p>
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		<title>By: chewbacca</title>
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		<dc:creator>chewbacca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was following the draft. There was norris (who said gimme the money or go home), couple of guys who went to the same university (forget the name) who were said to be determined on going, Erasmius (something like that)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was following the draft. There was norris (who said gimme the money or go home), couple of guys who went to the same university (forget the name) who were said to be determined on going, Erasmius (something like that)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RAWagman</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAWagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chewbacca Other than Seddon from Michigan (20th round), who esle did the Jays draft who said they were not interested in signing?

Yes, there were reports that Beede&#039;s father had made that statement, but there is not a single person in the industry who does not believe that the Jays and Beede have already come to an agreement. The MLB draft is not fantasy baseball. As AA has said many times (and he&#039;s right), the average draft class, rounds 1-50 usually nets 2-3 MLB players. Not even MLB regulars, but players. Furthermore, the ones who pan out are usually the ones who require good money to sign, because they are good. So AA wants to lay it all on the line, and try to draft 5-6 future MLB players. He&#039;ll spend a bit more up front to achieve that, but the potential for success far outweighs the marginal dollars spent on signing bonuses. Also, while it&#039;s a shame that they can&#039;t get the new kids under contract quick, in today&#039;s draft economics, that usually simply means the kids are good enough to warrant bigger dollars. Think of all of the young superstars in the game. How many of them began their professional careers in the summer they were drafted? Not many, right? It&#039;s because they held out for bigger signing bonuses. I&#039;ll also bet  you that the GM&#039;s who signed the cheques (assuming they are still employed) don&#039;t regret those guys at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chewbacca Other than Seddon from Michigan (20th round), who esle did the Jays draft who said they were not interested in signing?</p>
<p>Yes, there were reports that Beede&#8217;s father had made that statement, but there is not a single person in the industry who does not believe that the Jays and Beede have already come to an agreement. The MLB draft is not fantasy baseball. As AA has said many times (and he&#8217;s right), the average draft class, rounds 1-50 usually nets 2-3 MLB players. Not even MLB regulars, but players. Furthermore, the ones who pan out are usually the ones who require good money to sign, because they are good. So AA wants to lay it all on the line, and try to draft 5-6 future MLB players. He&#8217;ll spend a bit more up front to achieve that, but the potential for success far outweighs the marginal dollars spent on signing bonuses. Also, while it&#8217;s a shame that they can&#8217;t get the new kids under contract quick, in today&#8217;s draft economics, that usually simply means the kids are good enough to warrant bigger dollars. Think of all of the young superstars in the game. How many of them began their professional careers in the summer they were drafted? Not many, right? It&#8217;s because they held out for bigger signing bonuses. I&#8217;ll also bet  you that the GM&#8217;s who signed the cheques (assuming they are still employed) don&#8217;t regret those guys at all.</p>
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		<title>By: chewbacca</title>
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		<dc:creator>chewbacca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One problem here. The Jays picked a lot of guys who SAID they were not interested in signing, but insisted on drafting them anyway. How many of those Rays/Sox/Yank draftees had indicated as much negativity? Why did AA choose such a hard bunch? Many of these names, BTW, were not on the radar this site had compiled for possible drafting - ie they were almost a complete surprise. Is the problem &quot;leveraging&quot;, or is it just plain over-confidence that AA could get a deal done, when the kids had said all along &quot;no&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem here. The Jays picked a lot of guys who SAID they were not interested in signing, but insisted on drafting them anyway. How many of those Rays/Sox/Yank draftees had indicated as much negativity? Why did AA choose such a hard bunch? Many of these names, BTW, were not on the radar this site had compiled for possible drafting &#8211; ie they were almost a complete surprise. Is the problem &#8220;leveraging&#8221;, or is it just plain over-confidence that AA could get a deal done, when the kids had said all along &#8220;no&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: RAWagman</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAWagman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ryanpicks @RAWagman Yes, Beede&#039;s father claimed that no contract was offered, but many other insiders are pretty sure that he&#039;s blowing smoke to protect his son just in case things don&#039;t work out and he has to go to school. Fact is, Beede didn&#039;t show up for summer classes at Vanderbilt, as he had originally planned. The Jays aren&#039;t alone in not signing their top picks. IN the 1st round, 14 high school kids were drafted. Only 2 have signed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ryanpicks @RAWagman Yes, Beede&#8217;s father claimed that no contract was offered, but many other insiders are pretty sure that he&#8217;s blowing smoke to protect his son just in case things don&#8217;t work out and he has to go to school. Fact is, Beede didn&#8217;t show up for summer classes at Vanderbilt, as he had originally planned. The Jays aren&#8217;t alone in not signing their top picks. IN the 1st round, 14 high school kids were drafted. Only 2 have signed.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanpicks</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryanpicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction... not the agent... as these kids can&#039;t have agents... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction&#8230; not the agent&#8230; as these kids can&#8217;t have agents&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: ryanpicks</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryanpicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RAWagman Tyler Beede hasn&#039;t even been offered a contract yet according to his father on twitter... I believe they are in deed playing hardball, and AA has already stated he thinks the deadline should be much earlier then it is... My guess,is he&#039;s waiting as long as he can to put the presure on the agent and the players. Deadlines create momentum, he&#039;s simply waiting for the right time. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RAWagman Tyler Beede hasn&#8217;t even been offered a contract yet according to his father on twitter&#8230; I believe they are in deed playing hardball, and AA has already stated he thinks the deadline should be much earlier then it is&#8230; My guess,is he&#8217;s waiting as long as he can to put the presure on the agent and the players. Deadlines create momentum, he&#8217;s simply waiting for the right time. </p>
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		<title>By: gnor</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end, I think the pressure is on the players, because the chances are good that the new CBA will mandate hard slot money. In this case, the high schoolers have a hard decision to make: if they elect to go to college and try for a higher draft pick in a few years, they may not get much more bonus money than they would get by signing now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end, I think the pressure is on the players, because the chances are good that the new CBA will mandate hard slot money. In this case, the high schoolers have a hard decision to make: if they elect to go to college and try for a higher draft pick in a few years, they may not get much more bonus money than they would get by signing now.</p>
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