Comments on: Jays Get Pronked, The Jays Pen Just Isn’t “Right” http://jaysjournal.com/2011/07/08/jays-get-pronked-the-jays-pen-just-isnt-right/ A Toronto Blue Jays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:12:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: DerekNakluski http://jaysjournal.com/2011/07/08/jays-get-pronked-the-jays-pen-just-isnt-right/comment-page-1/#comment-950261 DerekNakluski Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:46:08 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8378#comment-950261 I think giving Stewart a shot in the Pen gives him more time in the Show and pitching 1 inning allows for more MPH on the fastball. I would also like to see McGowan given a shot in the next year. With all his injuries I think the bullpen would be better for him. And he has closer stuff or he did two years ago. I think giving Stewart a shot in the Pen gives him more time in the Show and pitching 1 inning allows for more MPH on the fastball. I would also like to see McGowan given a shot in the next year. With all his injuries I think the bullpen would be better for him. And he has closer stuff or he did two years ago.

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2011/07/08/jays-get-pronked-the-jays-pen-just-isnt-right/comment-page-1/#comment-950260 JaysJournal Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:16:37 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8378#comment-950260 @keith72 I don't think Papelbon will be aiming for a long-term deal. He has gone year-to-year all of the way through with Boston because he wants to maximize his yearly salary. With a pretty big ERA coming out of Boston (possibly due to the absence of Farrell), in his walk year, he'd likely cost the Jays a good 2, possibly 3, year deal. To me, the fact that he'd be there to allow others to ease into the set up role, and to stabilize the pen once the Jays let so many vets go at the same time are both really important for the 2012 season. As someone stated somewhere else, you can't just use all rookies on the 2012 squad, even if they are all really talented. Besides, as much as I agree with Stewart, Beck, and Carreno possibly going in the pen, I can see them getting their feet wet some before they are handed the reigns to the back-end. Finally , since I don't believe the Jays are going to go big on Pujols, and I can't see them outbidding the Yankees for Fielder, he becomes the most logical pickup as a FA. The Jays can easily afford $20 million over 2 years. I completely trust that AA won't include anything stupid in the contract, something he has avoided since taking over. I think the attraction of Farrell, and the ability to "get back at the Sox" alone will allow the Jays to get a decent discount. @keith72 I don’t think Papelbon will be aiming for a long-term deal. He has gone year-to-year all of the way through with Boston because he wants to maximize his yearly salary. With a pretty big ERA coming out of Boston (possibly due to the absence of Farrell), in his walk year, he’d likely cost the Jays a good 2, possibly 3, year deal. To me, the fact that he’d be there to allow others to ease into the set up role, and to stabilize the pen once the Jays let so many vets go at the same time are both really important for the 2012 season.

As someone stated somewhere else, you can’t just use all rookies on the 2012 squad, even if they are all really talented. Besides, as much as I agree with Stewart, Beck, and Carreno possibly going in the pen, I can see them getting their feet wet some before they are handed the reigns to the back-end.

Finally , since I don’t believe the Jays are going to go big on Pujols, and I can’t see them outbidding the Yankees for Fielder, he becomes the most logical pickup as a FA. The Jays can easily afford $20 million over 2 years. I completely trust that AA won’t include anything stupid in the contract, something he has avoided since taking over. I think the attraction of Farrell, and the ability to “get back at the Sox” alone will allow the Jays to get a decent discount.

]]> By: keith72 http://jaysjournal.com/2011/07/08/jays-get-pronked-the-jays-pen-just-isnt-right/comment-page-1/#comment-950258 keith72 Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:38 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8378#comment-950258 @JaysJournal Hey Matt, That thought really scares me, because signing Papelbon will take bigger dollars than BJ Ryan ($10-12/ year for 3 - 4 years). I would rather add 5 million and a year to that type of contract and get a true stud #1 ace for the rotation. AA is pretty shrewd and he typically follows the Rays formula where you don't spend a lot on bullpen talent. I can't see him going down the Papelbon route unless he has had a chance to see if there is something cheap in house first: Stewart, Beck, McGowan or Careno. @JaysJournal Hey Matt,

That thought really scares me, because signing Papelbon will take bigger dollars than BJ Ryan ($10-12/ year for 3 – 4 years). I would rather add 5 million and a year to that type of contract and get a true stud #1 ace for the rotation.

AA is pretty shrewd and he typically follows the Rays formula where you don’t spend a lot on bullpen talent. I can’t see him going down the Papelbon route unless he has had a chance to see if there is something cheap in house first: Stewart, Beck, McGowan or Careno.

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2011/07/08/jays-get-pronked-the-jays-pen-just-isnt-right/comment-page-1/#comment-950252 JaysJournal Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:20:51 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8378#comment-950252 The Padres have a ton of options when looking to deal Bell, but the problem they'll face is that no team will give up much for a "rental" player, which is what Bell is if a team can sign him to an extension when acquiring him. The Pads could allow for a negotiation window, as AA did when dealing Doc, which could allow them to acquire more talent. Could I see the Jays making a deal like that? I'm not sure, because there's a massive difference between pitching in the NL West and in the AL East. Personally, I believe that the Jays will be looking to get a younger and more long-term option, such as what teams have found internally of late (Kimbrel, Storen, and Axford, for example). Why not try Zach Stewart or even Dustin McGowan in the role in 2012? If there's one reliever that the Jays may target as a FA it's Jonathan Papelbon. Not only is he on thin ice relationship wise with many Red Sox execs, but he knows John Farrell extremely well and is proven in the AL East. The price and whether the Sox offer more will remain the barrier to any deal between the Jays and Pap, but I predict he has a 50/50 shot of being a Jays reliever in 2012. Simply put, if he's not with the Red Sox, he'll be with the Jays. The Padres have a ton of options when looking to deal Bell, but the problem they’ll face is that no team will give up much for a “rental” player, which is what Bell is if a team can sign him to an extension when acquiring him. The Pads could allow for a negotiation window, as AA did when dealing Doc, which could allow them to acquire more talent. Could I see the Jays making a deal like that? I’m not sure, because there’s a massive difference between pitching in the NL West and in the AL East. Personally, I believe that the Jays will be looking to get a younger and more long-term option, such as what teams have found internally of late (Kimbrel, Storen, and Axford, for example). Why not try Zach Stewart or even Dustin McGowan in the role in 2012?

If there’s one reliever that the Jays may target as a FA it’s Jonathan Papelbon. Not only is he on thin ice relationship wise with many Red Sox execs, but he knows John Farrell extremely well and is proven in the AL East. The price and whether the Sox offer more will remain the barrier to any deal between the Jays and Pap, but I predict he has a 50/50 shot of being a Jays reliever in 2012. Simply put, if he’s not with the Red Sox, he’ll be with the Jays.

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2011/07/08/jays-get-pronked-the-jays-pen-just-isnt-right/comment-page-1/#comment-950251 JaysJournal Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:11:18 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8378#comment-950251 Completely agree RV, I'm just trying to make sense of the "non-moves" from their points of view. Who would have thought that Rauch and Francisco would be worse than Kevin Gregg at the back end of the pen? You have to agree that it's not something anyone could have predicted. Completely agree RV, I’m just trying to make sense of the “non-moves” from their points of view. Who would have thought that Rauch and Francisco would be worse than Kevin Gregg at the back end of the pen? You have to agree that it’s not something anyone could have predicted.

]]> By: JaysJournal http://jaysjournal.com/2011/07/08/jays-get-pronked-the-jays-pen-just-isnt-right/comment-page-1/#comment-950250 JaysJournal Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:09:19 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=8378#comment-950250 Thanks for the comment Stump, I personally think that sitting idle and waiting for things to happen is exactly what J.P. Ricciardi did, and is exactly the reason the Jays never made the playoffs under his helm. The Jays need to be aggressive on all fronts to make a go of it, and that includes in pushing their talented players to develop quickly, just as Detroit and other squads do. Thanks for the comment Stump,

I personally think that sitting idle and waiting for things to happen is exactly what J.P. Ricciardi did, and is exactly the reason the Jays never made the playoffs under his helm. The Jays need to be aggressive on all fronts to make a go of it, and that includes in pushing their talented players to develop quickly, just as Detroit and other squads do.

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