Comments on: Possible Jays Trade Targets: Adrian Cardenas

By: NoScoutHere

NoScoutHere — Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:07:20 +0000

Travis Snyder is an over hyped utility player

Riveria is too old and expensive to be traded unless Jays pay half of his wages in a salary dump.

EE is one bad week away from being demoted to AA

Nix is playing like the 70 K in cash the jays paid for him

What is a possibility is Villanueva claiming the 5th pitching spot leaving AA the option to deal Litsch, Reyes, and cecil or as part of a package for positional player.

Aaron Hill is in his last year as a Jay.

By: George

George — Sat, 04 Jun 2011 12:31:50 +0000

Matt, I agree that sooner or later, they will have to make room for Lawrie, and Lind, and Snider, and that likely means that at least two of EE, Rivera, or Nix will have to go. I lean towards Rivera and Nix, because EE adds depth at both first and third.
I don’t see him trading for major league infielders at this point, however. AA is more likely to go for high ceiling, low cost players that he can stuff in at the low A level and see what grows.
After all, they don’t need a Cardenas that badly right now, but in a couple of years, they are going to have to dig into the farm system to trade for a Carter and Alomar to put them over the top, so it pays to have a little bit put by.

By: Mat Germain

Mat Germain — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 23:08:54 +0000

I agree that anything AA does will be for the long-term, not just the short term, which is why I think Cardenas makes sense (as well as Chris Nelson who I put out there as a possibility in early 2011). Both can be much more effective bench players than what the Jays have on hand today and provide more offensive flair than the Jays have had on the bench in a long time.

I absolutely believe a deal or two – whether blockbusters or not – involving the Jays are about to take place, most likely post-draft. As with any AA move, we’ll probably only hear about “the rumor” once it actually happens, in true silent assassin fashion!

By: Mat Germain

Mat Germain — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 23:04:17 +0000

Like I said, Jays fan, it isn’t likely to be a 1 for 1 deal, but I do know that the A’s need a much better lineup to make a playoff run. This is the team that gave Ben Sheets $10 million and were so badly needing a DH that they signed Hideki Matsui! They need a ton of offensive help, and I don’t believe that they have a spot to give Cardenas the shot he deserves. So whether I “lost credibility” in your eyes or not, I believe there’s a deal to be done. Whether it’s David Cooper and Juan Rivera for Adrian Cardenas and another piece from Oakland or not is debatable until anything – if anything happens. I’m only putting this out there, that a deal seems to make sense on both sides. That’s all!

By: Jays Fan

Jays Fan — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:49:41 +0000

Mat, you can’t honestly think that the A’s (or any team for that matter) would deal a legitimate, viable prospect for Juan Rivera. You’ve lost credibility in my eyes.

By: John

John — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:44:09 +0000

“I don’t think that either could be had for spare parts”

That’s why I think Rivera or EE would not be part of any trade for Cardenas. Salary combined with contract and lackluster performance on the part of Rivera and pretty awful performance on the part of EE just don’t make them very attractive. I agree with the idea of a Litsch + Sierra or someone like him. That kinda deal probably would be a better base case

By: Matt

Matt — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:32:06 +0000

I’ve also been worrying about Aaron Hill’s future and whether he’s ever going to return to even near-2009 production levels.

In my search a couple of prospects looked interesting, Adrian Cardenas was 2nd on my list behind Jason Kipnis of Cleveland. I don’t think that either could be had for spare parts, Kipnis would take a low end SP (think Litsch) and a prospect who is a long way from contributing (think Moises Sierra).

If Cardenas comes over for one or both of Rivera and E5 I would be shocked but Wells moving stunned me so I shouldn’t dismiss the possibility.

Getting one of these guys would be part of my plan for the remainder of this season and the off-season if I was in AA’s shoes

By: Mylegacy

Mylegacy — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:30:58 +0000

Mat – good on you. This topic is very timely. The time has come to start thinking of what moves the Jays might make before/at the trading deadline.

Personally, I don’t see a move involving Sizemore or Cardenas. I suspect that Hech and Escobar will battle each other for SS – the loser getting 2nd. That battle could start as early as September this year.

You mention EE and Rivera – I think consider Cooper as trade bait – sell high! We’ve Lind for now and McDade (who is quietly becoming a monster) for later – You might be able to get something for Cooper/EE and Rivera (that would give some team a 1st, 3rd and DH all in one fell swoop).

Any blockbuster we might make would include at least one of D’Arnaud, Jimenez, Perez (all three of those guys as SO GOOD – they’ve all thought of changing their last names to Molina).

As to what we need – right now with no Halladay, Marcum, Cecil and Drabek not getting it together we need starting pitching (in the short term) and I just don’t see AA doing much – if anything – to address a short term need. Not unless the short term solution can be part of the long term solution.

As they have stamped on the front of American money, “In AA we trust.”