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		<title>By: Jays Journal Draft Coverage: Jays Draft Preview, Pick #21 (Hitting) &#171; Jays Journal &#124; A Toronto Blue Jays Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 20:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] targets the Jays may go after if they select a pitcher with their 21st overall pick. It&#8217;s available here, and had Jed Bradley, Henry Owens, Anthony Meo, Tyler Anderson, and Jose Fernandez listed as the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] targets the Jays may go after if they select a pitcher with their 21st overall pick. It&#8217;s available here, and had Jed Bradley, Henry Owens, Anthony Meo, Tyler Anderson, and Jose Fernandez listed as the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mat Germain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat Germain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting take on it, but in reality, how guaranteed are you to target the &quot;right&quot; college bat, and are there enough of them available to make it to #21? It&#039;s a good theory to go by I&#039;m sure, but it&#039;s also not an exact science. 

For example, if we look at the success that the Tigers have had in drafting HS pitchers like Rick Procello, Jacob Turner, Casey Crosby, HS hitter Nick Castellanos, and others out of HS, we see that they seem to have a knack for picking up HS guys that make an impact at the MLB level. They&#039;ve been forced to go that route because they often are picking later in the draft, and have had to go overslot later on as a result (aside from Turner who was taken 9th overall). This is the same thing that the Jays may be forced to do as they are outside the top 20. 

Also, some teams just have more success than others in going with whatever strategy they use, that&#039;s all I&#039;m saying here. So long as the scouts are doing a great job, you should be getting quality players or pitchers on board. The Jays have invested enough in their scouting to do a great job, and have ensured that scouts can look at guys they target more often than they have in the past in order to make sure they don&#039;t make a mistake. This is why I believe that they may target a prep player at #21 in 2011. The majority of the top college players may (or should) be gone by then, and they&#039;ll still want a top-notch prospect.

If the Jays followed the theory you&#039;re talking about, they would have grabbed a college bat like Gary Brown, Zack Cox, or Kyle Parker in the 2010 draft, so I&#039;m not sure this is the case under Alex Anthopoulos. But, every draft has its strengths, and hitting was definitely not the strength of the 2010 draft, so that may be a bad example to draw from. Unfortunately, it&#039;s the only AA led draft we have to go by, so I can&#039;t really use any other example.

I would agree with your comment about grabbing a college bat &quot;if they are equally talented&quot; statement, but I doubt that you could ever find an exact correlation between 2 players. Some scouts will like one more than the other, so it depends on Andrew Tinnish and his making the ultimate decision on who to support as he makes the case to Alex Anthopoulos. 

Either way, expect the Jays to grab the absolute best player based on the evaluations they&#039;ve made. They&#039;ve proven they&#039;re not going to shy away from players based on the bonus asking price, which is a great thing for Jays fans all over!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting take on it, but in reality, how guaranteed are you to target the &#8220;right&#8221; college bat, and are there enough of them available to make it to #21? It&#8217;s a good theory to go by I&#8217;m sure, but it&#8217;s also not an exact science. </p>
<p>For example, if we look at the success that the Tigers have had in drafting HS pitchers like Rick Procello, Jacob Turner, Casey Crosby, HS hitter Nick Castellanos, and others out of HS, we see that they seem to have a knack for picking up HS guys that make an impact at the MLB level. They&#8217;ve been forced to go that route because they often are picking later in the draft, and have had to go overslot later on as a result (aside from Turner who was taken 9th overall). This is the same thing that the Jays may be forced to do as they are outside the top 20. </p>
<p>Also, some teams just have more success than others in going with whatever strategy they use, that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying here. So long as the scouts are doing a great job, you should be getting quality players or pitchers on board. The Jays have invested enough in their scouting to do a great job, and have ensured that scouts can look at guys they target more often than they have in the past in order to make sure they don&#8217;t make a mistake. This is why I believe that they may target a prep player at #21 in 2011. The majority of the top college players may (or should) be gone by then, and they&#8217;ll still want a top-notch prospect.</p>
<p>If the Jays followed the theory you&#8217;re talking about, they would have grabbed a college bat like Gary Brown, Zack Cox, or Kyle Parker in the 2010 draft, so I&#8217;m not sure this is the case under Alex Anthopoulos. But, every draft has its strengths, and hitting was definitely not the strength of the 2010 draft, so that may be a bad example to draw from. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s the only AA led draft we have to go by, so I can&#8217;t really use any other example.</p>
<p>I would agree with your comment about grabbing a college bat &#8220;if they are equally talented&#8221; statement, but I doubt that you could ever find an exact correlation between 2 players. Some scouts will like one more than the other, so it depends on Andrew Tinnish and his making the ultimate decision on who to support as he makes the case to Alex Anthopoulos. </p>
<p>Either way, expect the Jays to grab the absolute best player based on the evaluations they&#8217;ve made. They&#8217;ve proven they&#8217;re not going to shy away from players based on the bonus asking price, which is a great thing for Jays fans all over!</p>
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		<title>By: JayTeam</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayTeam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 01:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, you’re saying we should grab an impact bat if they are “more valuable and talented than any pitcher available”. I would argue we should always draft a college bat if they are equally talented. High WAR success rates and lower bust rates are considerably better with college bats than any of the other 3 categories (HS bats, HS or College pitchers). I believe this was part of Victor Wang’s research. Also saw a fanpost at Sickles’ Minor League Ball site that showed a similar correlation for BA top 100 prospects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, you’re saying we should grab an impact bat if they are “more valuable and talented than any pitcher available”. I would argue we should always draft a college bat if they are equally talented. High WAR success rates and lower bust rates are considerably better with college bats than any of the other 3 categories (HS bats, HS or College pitchers). I believe this was part of Victor Wang’s research. Also saw a fanpost at Sickles’ Minor League Ball site that showed a similar correlation for BA top 100 prospects.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with mat. There are a lot of great highschool arms in this draft and guys like Bradley will (prob) get picked up before the Jays get a shot. The waves of talent phenomena would be best served with a prep arm, so I could def see Owens in the mix as he is very much in the mold of Aaron Sanchez. Jose Fernandez may be to much to hope for as a guy who throws in the high 90&#039;s with a hammer curve with his size is bound to go early - Feliz Hernandez comps I think will be thrown around.

I think there&#039;s also a chance Dillion Howard falls to 21, and If so he would be a great great pickup. I think a guy like Anderson would be around for us at 35, but even so I&#039;d rather have Ryan Carpenter who&#039;s got a bit more upside.

I wonder though how much overslot AA would go for a stud blue chipper like Josh Bell. I hope we walk away with him with out 21 pick and grab a safe college guy like Carpenter/Anderson at 35. It will be interesting to see if AA goes really above slot to sign the best talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with mat. There are a lot of great highschool arms in this draft and guys like Bradley will (prob) get picked up before the Jays get a shot. The waves of talent phenomena would be best served with a prep arm, so I could def see Owens in the mix as he is very much in the mold of Aaron Sanchez. Jose Fernandez may be to much to hope for as a guy who throws in the high 90&#8242;s with a hammer curve with his size is bound to go early &#8211; Feliz Hernandez comps I think will be thrown around.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s also a chance Dillion Howard falls to 21, and If so he would be a great great pickup. I think a guy like Anderson would be around for us at 35, but even so I&#8217;d rather have Ryan Carpenter who&#8217;s got a bit more upside.</p>
<p>I wonder though how much overslot AA would go for a stud blue chipper like Josh Bell. I hope we walk away with him with out 21 pick and grab a safe college guy like Carpenter/Anderson at 35. It will be interesting to see if AA goes really above slot to sign the best talent.</p>
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		<title>By: matgermain</title>
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		<dc:creator>matgermain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point George. I do think that the Jays will try to take the best player on the board, no matter what, but there&#039;s a big difference between drafting 11th and draft 21st, so I&#039;m not sure that the 2010 strategy will be the same as the 2011 strategy. As your statement indicates, most teams like to take the sure thing that is more likely to help them in the near future with the top picks, so the Jays will likely have the choice between lesser ranked college players, or prep players that are most highly ranked. My bet is on the latter, with some hope that one or two college arms could fall through the cracks and wind up with the Jays. 

I do believe the Jays played it safe in the 1st round in 2010 and didn&#039;t go after the highest ceiling guys, but I still love Deck McGuire&#039;s potential. Whether or not they do the same in 2011 remains to be seen. But, with so many arms making headway in the minors this season, if the Jays do land an arm with the first round pick, I would not be surprised in the least to see it being a top prep arm, as they&#039;ll want &quot;waves&quot; of talent coming up to the majors, or wagons if you buy into Anthopoulos&#039;s freight train motto!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point George. I do think that the Jays will try to take the best player on the board, no matter what, but there&#8217;s a big difference between drafting 11th and draft 21st, so I&#8217;m not sure that the 2010 strategy will be the same as the 2011 strategy. As your statement indicates, most teams like to take the sure thing that is more likely to help them in the near future with the top picks, so the Jays will likely have the choice between lesser ranked college players, or prep players that are most highly ranked. My bet is on the latter, with some hope that one or two college arms could fall through the cracks and wind up with the Jays. </p>
<p>I do believe the Jays played it safe in the 1st round in 2010 and didn&#8217;t go after the highest ceiling guys, but I still love Deck McGuire&#8217;s potential. Whether or not they do the same in 2011 remains to be seen. But, with so many arms making headway in the minors this season, if the Jays do land an arm with the first round pick, I would not be surprised in the least to see it being a top prep arm, as they&#8217;ll want &#8220;waves&#8221; of talent coming up to the majors, or wagons if you buy into Anthopoulos&#8217;s freight train motto!</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comment, Matt, about the Jays drafting safe the first pick and riskier later. Do you think they actually use a different formula for rating players later in the order? It could be that the value assigned to experience would rate a college player higher than a high school player, and so place him higher in the draft order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comment, Matt, about the Jays drafting safe the first pick and riskier later. Do you think they actually use a different formula for rating players later in the order? It could be that the value assigned to experience would rate a college player higher than a high school player, and so place him higher in the draft order.</p>
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