Comments on: Assessing the Juan Rivera Market http://jaysjournal.com/2011/02/09/assessing-the-juan-rivera-market/ A Toronto Blue Jays Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:12:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Jays Journal: Brett Lawrie, Juan Rivera, Jose Bautista Poll, and Links « Jays Journal | A Toronto Blue Jays Blog http://jaysjournal.com/2011/02/09/assessing-the-juan-rivera-market/comment-page-1/#comment-3086 Jays Journal: Brett Lawrie, Juan Rivera, Jose Bautista Poll, and Links « Jays Journal | A Toronto Blue Jays Blog Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:31:55 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=5360#comment-3086 [...] any takers on Juan Rivera, but spring training is only getting started. I recently wrote an article assessing his market and do believe that Alex Anthopoulos will find a way to move him some time in 2011, I’m just [...] [...] any takers on Juan Rivera, but spring training is only getting started. I recently wrote an article assessing his market and do believe that Alex Anthopoulos will find a way to move him some time in 2011, I’m just [...]

]]> By: George http://jaysjournal.com/2011/02/09/assessing-the-juan-rivera-market/comment-page-1/#comment-2965 George Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:33:30 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=5360#comment-2965 I just wanted to add that the way the outfield is setting up, there is nobody that absolutely HAS to play every day, unlike last year, when VW HAD to be in the lineup, hurt or not. Everybody but Travis Snider is new. It's an ideal situation to rotate 4 outfielders, introduce a rookie like Mastroianni, and give everybody enough at bats to keep sharp. I just wanted to add that the way the outfield is setting up, there is nobody that absolutely HAS to play every day, unlike last year, when VW HAD to be in the lineup, hurt or not. Everybody but Travis Snider is new. It’s an ideal situation to rotate 4 outfielders, introduce a rookie like Mastroianni, and give everybody enough at bats to keep sharp.

]]> By: George http://jaysjournal.com/2011/02/09/assessing-the-juan-rivera-market/comment-page-1/#comment-2964 George Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:23:34 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=5360#comment-2964 I had it in my mind that Rivera could start the season with the team, and let Darin Mastroianni try to play his way into an every day role. They need a backup centre fielder anyway. Then if Rivera is hitting the way he did in 2009, he would sure be able to help someone at the trade deadline. A classic example of buy cheap and sell dear. If he's mediocre, he finishes the season as the 4th outfielder – nothing lost, nothing gained. Trading him mid-season would open a spot for Eric Thames, who is set to make a statement in Spring Training this year. I had it in my mind that Rivera could start the season with the team, and let Darin Mastroianni try to play his way into an every day role. They need a backup centre fielder anyway. Then if Rivera is hitting the way he did in 2009, he would sure be able to help someone at the trade deadline. A classic example of buy cheap and sell dear. If he’s mediocre, he finishes the season as the 4th outfielder – nothing lost, nothing gained. Trading him mid-season would open a spot for Eric Thames, who is set to make a statement in Spring Training this year.

]]> By: Cynicalguy http://jaysjournal.com/2011/02/09/assessing-the-juan-rivera-market/comment-page-1/#comment-2919 Cynicalguy Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:45:07 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=5360#comment-2919 From AA's comments earlier, it sounded like he's okay with Rivera playing the entire year as he has a chance to become a type B free agent, and we all know how AA loves draft picks. He's not going to trade Rivera to dump his salary or for mediocre prospects, because he can use that sandwich pick to select a high ceiling prospect. I think that's also the plan with Encarnacion. In the bullpen, Frasor and Francisco have chances to become type A free agents, if not type B. Camp, Rauch, Dotel also have pretty good shots at becoming type B free agents. Added together, the Jays could end up with 7-9 compensation draft picks next year, in addition to their own first round pick if everything goes according to plan. I think that's the best way to use this year to build for the future, as we have regular players who would either yield a draft pick or develop long term parts of this team getting experience (Snider, Drabek, Arencibia). Then next season, those compensation free agents would be replaced by the likes of Lawrie, with Bautista moving back to RF, and a bunch of the pitching prospects in the bullpen. From AA’s comments earlier, it sounded like he’s okay with Rivera playing the entire year as he has a chance to become a type B free agent, and we all know how AA loves draft picks. He’s not going to trade Rivera to dump his salary or for mediocre prospects, because he can use that sandwich pick to select a high ceiling prospect.

I think that’s also the plan with Encarnacion. In the bullpen, Frasor and Francisco have chances to become type A free agents, if not type B. Camp, Rauch, Dotel also have pretty good shots at becoming type B free agents.

Added together, the Jays could end up with 7-9 compensation draft picks next year, in addition to their own first round pick if everything goes according to plan.

I think that’s the best way to use this year to build for the future, as we have regular players who would either yield a draft pick or develop long term parts of this team getting experience (Snider, Drabek, Arencibia).

Then next season, those compensation free agents would be replaced by the likes of Lawrie, with Bautista moving back to RF, and a bunch of the pitching prospects in the bullpen.

]]> By: Mat Germain http://jaysjournal.com/2011/02/09/assessing-the-juan-rivera-market/comment-page-1/#comment-2916 Mat Germain Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:21:15 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=5360#comment-2916 I did mention that none of these deals would be an automatic straight up deal. I just mention the pieces included, leaving the details out because you never do know how much money or which prospect the teams may target. As for the OF situation in KC.....really? Melky Cabrera is the only real everyday OF I see on the club, aside from Lorenzo Cain who may get a shot to play everyday. My question to you would be this, which KC hitter aside from Billy Butler will hit over 15 HRs in 2011? Francouer hasn't hit more than 15 since 2007, who knows what they'll get out of Gordon who hit a maximum of 16 in 2008, and all of the infield - aside from Kila who's potential I love - will hit 15 or under. So, adding a bat like Rivera's that can produce 15+ HRs should be an attractive deal for KC. Not that it would be straight up Gordon or Aviles for Rivera, that's for the GMs to work out. And btw, Aviles will not be the 3B in KC for long, Mike Moustakas will wear that tag by June, with Hosmer close on his tail to join KC. Just thought I'd mention it! I did mention that none of these deals would be an automatic straight up deal. I just mention the pieces included, leaving the details out because you never do know how much money or which prospect the teams may target.

As for the OF situation in KC…..really? Melky Cabrera is the only real everyday OF I see on the club, aside from Lorenzo Cain who may get a shot to play everyday. My question to you would be this, which KC hitter aside from Billy Butler will hit over 15 HRs in 2011? Francouer hasn’t hit more than 15 since 2007, who knows what they’ll get out of Gordon who hit a maximum of 16 in 2008, and all of the infield – aside from Kila who’s potential I love – will hit 15 or under. So, adding a bat like Rivera’s that can produce 15+ HRs should be an attractive deal for KC. Not that it would be straight up Gordon or Aviles for Rivera, that’s for the GMs to work out.

And btw, Aviles will not be the 3B in KC for long, Mike Moustakas will wear that tag by June, with Hosmer close on his tail to join KC. Just thought I’d mention it!

]]> By: geo http://jaysjournal.com/2011/02/09/assessing-the-juan-rivera-market/comment-page-1/#comment-2915 geo Wed, 09 Feb 2011 20:24:42 +0000 http://jaysjournal.com/?p=5360#comment-2915 Let's see...you have come up with all sorts of things that you feel will help the Jays, but precious little reason for the clubs you mention to be interested in Rivera. Especially the Royals, who are currently awash in outfielders, a situation that trading Alex Gordon would not change. And Mike Aviles has already been tabbed as the starting 3B by Ned Yost...so they would want Rivera why, exactly? Let’s see…you have come up with all sorts of things that you feel will help the Jays, but precious little reason for the clubs you mention to be interested in Rivera. Especially the Royals, who are currently awash in outfielders, a situation that trading Alex Gordon would not change. And Mike Aviles has already been tabbed as the starting 3B by Ned Yost…so they would want Rivera why, exactly?

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