Comments on: Jays Could Target Mets Players: David Wright, Jose Reyes, or Carlos Beltran

By: KJ Baker

KJ Baker — Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:12:25 +0000

LOL! @ Beltran, what’s the reason of the Wells trade again?

By: Sean p Heffernan

Sean p Heffernan — Tue, 01 Feb 2011 21:45:18 +0000

pure crap!

By: Dan

Dan — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:32:21 +0000

On Beltran, after 2011 his contract states that the team cant offer arbitration to Beltran. Beltran enters 2012 as a a Free Agent without any compensation. You dont get draft picks

By: George Norman

George Norman — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:17:45 +0000

We could have had Michael Young in 2001. Chose Gabe Gross instead. Funny thing is, 36 others made the same mistake. In reality, none of this makes sense, in that none of these guys would help because they don’t fit the Jays’ time frame. While most fans feel that they have a shot at the playoffs in 2012, this is not the case. Most of The Jays’ top prospects like Gose, Marisnick, Thames, or Hechavarria are in A/AA right now, and won’t get to the show until 2012/13, so a more realistic date to reach their goal, which is to take a shot at the World Series might be thought of as 2015. By that time, guys like Young and Beltre will be long gone, along with a wealth of talent that would have been traded to acquire them in the first place.

By: Mat Germain

Mat Germain — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:08:10 +0000

I’m really curious as to why you would make such a definitive statement?

A couple of months ago, people around baseball may have said the same thing about the Jays dealing Vernon Wells, the same thing about Jayson Werth signing for over $100 million, and the same thing about Cliff Lee landing anywhere but in NY or TEX. Guess what, in my books, nothing is impossible!

By: little dan

little dan — Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:24:57 +0000

0% chance of happening.

By: Mat Germain

Mat Germain — Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:56:30 +0000

OK, I’ve done my homework now and you are right, 5th starter, it does include the 2 previous years. Having said that, the players are divided into 5 groups and group 1 is where Carlos would fit in, along with 1B and DH. When you add the fact that he only goes up against those who are FA that year, it explains why I still expect him to be a Type A FA in 2012.

I’ll use Magglio Ordonez as the absolute best example of this. He was a Type A FA this off season despite having missed a ton of time between 2009 and 2010 in order to make it to Type A (788 ABs total). Carlos still had 220 ABs in 2010, so with a full healthy season in 2011, he could definitely make it to Type A. Maggs did it though, because of the stats it includes – particularly the AVG and OBP numbers that put Magglio well ahead of others. Still, even with all of that lost time, Magglio was able to be middle of the pack Type A, not bottom of the pack, so it shows the kind of talent that they’re up against most of the time. Carlos has the same kind of upside and can definitely make a push for Type A. If he wants to get paid in 2012 and beyond, he better!

Here’s one of the links I used for info:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/10/stats-used-for.html

By: lolwut

lolwut — Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:15:20 +0000

Even if the Mets are looking to shed payroll, Reyes or Wright would still cost a lot, especially Wright. He is under contract for a couple of years and is a premium 3B in this league. Personally, I don’t see them trading him. He is their franchise player.

Beltran makes sense IMO. He has been injured the last couple of years but when healthy, he is a stud and he would be a buy low option at this point so it is possible Mets may not consider trading him either and it is possible AA may not Beltran 20 million salary, he would have to have a terrific year to get much value at the deadline.

Beltran would be a solid gap stop for a year though.

By: Mat Germain

Mat Germain — Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:04:59 +0000

I have to be honest that I was unaware of the need for a combination of the years. I’ll definitely look into it and thanks for the heads up!

By: 5thStarter

5thStarter — Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:03:23 +0000

Hey Mat,

Are you sure about Beltran being type-A? From what I understand, The Elias rankings system only uses the prior 2 seasons of data to calculate compensation. With Beltran’s injury, he would need to have an incredible season to ensure type-a status.

That said, he’s definitely worth a chance. He’s a buy-low candidate that could yeild a high return.

David Wright is the real prize of this bunch though. getting him out of Citi Field would boost his stats in a huge way. I wouldn’t mind giving up (some) of the future for him. Maybe we can send J.P. some of his old guys?