Comments on: Jays Notes: Octavio Dotel, Chad Cordero, HOF, and the Draft Order

By: Jack

Jack — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:17:41 +0000

Did not know that, thanks for clarifying. Now the move makes a hell of a lot more sense to me…

By: Mat Germain

Mat Germain — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:01:07 +0000

Agreed Pete!

By: Mat Germain

Mat Germain — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 10:00:20 +0000

Very well said Aaron, and great point about the ’11 draft being so deep. It really is!

By: Mat Germain

Mat Germain — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 09:59:03 +0000

Thanks for the comment Theo, and you’re right, there’s a lot of luck involved with the draft. However, the higher up in the draft you get the bulk of your picks, the less luck is involved because you’re getting the higher ceiling guys. I will also respond with this:

LAA OF Mike Trout – arguably the top prospect in the minors right now – was drafted 25th overall.

So long as you can spot the talent, you get the talent.

For the later picks, just look at how the Jays nabbed Richard “Dickie” Thon in 2010. Nobody thought he would signed and he was a definite top 2 rd guy if they knew he would. That’s why he cost the Jays $1.5 million.

Alex has an excellent scouting department built right now, and I have faith that he and Andrew Tinnish will spot some very Mike Trout like players.

By: Aaron Lukianow

Aaron Lukianow — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 08:49:46 +0000

Not exactly, remember some players who are tied to certain agents (say Scott Boras) fall way down the board because clubs know what a pain it will be to sign them. There are also players who were a high pick last year that fall again because of the high price they asked the previous year. I think AA’s will have a good idea of those costs going into the draft and with as many picks by the end of round 2 he can strategize how to get exactly what he wants. AA can also draft an “un-signable” player, and get the same pick next year. Supposedly the 2011 draft is deep, so I believe AA is carefully crafting his list.

By: bdk

bdk — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 06:19:12 +0000

the Jays didn’t give up anything. Supplemental picks come from thin air for some free agents leaving. So it would have been either resign Gregg and get no draft pick in the supplemental round or sign Dotel who isn’t that different statistically than Gregg and get a draft pick. To me, they got pretty much the same pitcher for less money and years while also getting a sandwich pick on top of that. Great move by AA.

By: Theo_Adorno

Theo_Adorno — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 03:17:04 +0000

I have heard a lot of Jays fans gushing over the number of draft picks the ball club has in the 2011 draft. If you really size it up the Jays have the 21st pick overall – which really isn’t all that great. The Deck McGuires’, Travis Sniders’ or (insert hypothetical blue chip prospect) are long off the board by that point.

I know its a downer but the number of draft picks we have from 20-70 doesn’t really mean too much – it will come down to 80% luck and 20% scouting and development.

By: Jack

Jack — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 03:05:44 +0000

“Finally, by letting Gregg walk, the Jays get yet another highly ranked draft pick, so Dotel is not only the cheaper option with more flexibility for 2012, but his acquisition also allows the Jays to continue the building process.”

But in your draft pick order, you have us giving up a higher pick for Dotel than we get back for Gregg.

The Gregg for Dotel swap will come back to bite us I bet…

By: peteypuck

peteypuck — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 02:29:39 +0000

The Jays could do worse than with Dotel while they sort out the bullpen for a 2012 run. Dotel is not much of a drop off from Gregg, maybe better. And AA grabs the pick. I like the move.